Paying govt money to greedy doctors will not produce affordable health care., page 2
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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 12:17 PM by nixie_nox
reply to post by groingrinder



Are you only referring to the doctors that head insurance companies? Or are you referring to all doctors?

Me personally, I don't think the ones that head insurance companies are really doctors anymore.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 12:24 PM by groingrinder
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Complicated equipment does not necessarily have to be expensive. It does not have to recoup the cost on one or two patients, or in one or two years either. Spread the cost out over twenty years.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 12:26 PM by groingrinder
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I am talking about all doctors and all insurance companies. Eliminate the greed to eliminate the need.



reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 01:09 PM by Wotan
Originally posted by groingrinder
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post by nixie_nox



I am talking about all doctors and all insurance companies. Eliminate the greed to eliminate the need.


With a Nationalised Healthcare system you will eliminate the greed and the insurance companies in one hit.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 03:32 PM by groingrinder
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NO YOU WILL NOT. You will just be replacing private insurance companies with a government run insurance company.

This is not the way to AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE. Health care where everybody can reach into their bank account and come up with the money. Health care where you do not have to pay for the rest of your life to see a doctor.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 05:48 PM by nixie_nox
reply to post by FredT



That was basically going to be my next point. If you have a heart attack and need a quadruple bypass.. are you going to grab your neighbor the computer tech? Or you going to go to the heart surgeon?

That is why they can charge.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 06:39 PM by Wotan
Originally posted by groingrinder
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post by Wotan



NO YOU WILL NOT. You will just be replacing private insurance companies with a government run insurance company.

This is not the way to AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE. Health care where everybody can reach into their bank account and come up with the money. Health care where you do not have to pay for the rest of your life to see a doctor.


You obviously do not understand what Nationalised Healthcare is.

You would pay a % of your income tax to the Government to pay for the healthcare. You would no longer pay your health insurance company - the income tax payment would replace it.



reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 07:40 PM by groingrinder
reply to post by northof8



Whatever makes you sleep good at night. I still say nobody should have to pay their whole lives into national health care or a private insurance to afford the services of a doctor of any kind. COSTS NEED TO COME DOWN. For Medical School as well as for their services. People need doctoring. It is immoral to hold them over a barrel for their entire lives extracting money the whole time to pay doctors.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 07:42 PM by groingrinder
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It is you who do not understand. If you pay your taxes for health care then you are paying for government health insurance.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 07:43 PM by groingrinder
reply to post by FredT



I still say seven thousand dollars an hour is too much. Even for a heart surgeon.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 07:45 PM by nixie_nox
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Don't forget that the surgeon now has to pay the malpractise insurance. The staff, the equipment, and taxes.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 11:29 PM by FredT
Originally posted by groingrinder
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post by FredT



I still say seven thousand dollars an hour is too much. Even for a heart surgeon.


DO you really think he makes that per hour? If you factor in how many hours the man is at work which is about 80+ on a slow week. its more like 240 an hour.

AFAIK and I might add his patients are, even 10K an hour would be worth every cent for someone that good.

If you want your kid seen by the lowest bidder by all means, but hey we see those kids that were botched and he fixes them too.


reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 11:52 PM by defcon5
Originally posted by groingrinder
The last time my father had a stent put in, the doctor pocketed twenty grand from his insurance and medicare for a two and a half hour procedure. Not exactly the kind of money your average man on the street has.

Why should I have to pay 300 dollars or more a month for health insurance for my entire life because some greedy doctors have gotten together and fixed the system so they all get fabulously rich in a very short time?

I have no problem paying a doctor several hundred dollars an hour, but over seven thousand dollars an hour is quite a bit too much. The only reason they can get away with this is because it is a "medical" procedure. You put the word "medical" in front of anything and it automatically multiplies the value many fold.

Man you are way off base here.
I work for a specialist doctor, and though you may think he makes a ton of money, he does not. A HUGE portion of that money goes to malpractice insurance, close to a quarter of a million each year just for him, and he is not even in a high-risk field such as heart surgery. Then you have the cost of the equipment, the cost of the doctors personal office, the cost of the employees, the money that has to go to the surgical facility or hospital, the cost of equipment maintenance, etc. There is a lot of overhead in the medical field, and much of it is insurance to keep sue happy people from putting all the good doctors out of business with frivolous lawsuits.

No! You want to know what is wrong with the medical field? Its people who smoke two packs a day, eat McDonalds daily, drink a 6 pack of beer before bed, then the family sues the doctor when that person dies from heart failure or during heart surgery….
Therein lays the problem.

In New Hampshire, many physicians are leaving as malpractice insurance costs soar. Specialty physicians have experienced a 50 percent increase in premiums from five years ago. The average premium is now close to $100,000 for obstetricians and neurosurgeons.

… That is from 2008, now if Doctors were making such BIG profits, then why would they be leaving the business in droves?

Originally posted by groingrinder
Then there is the equipment. Most medical equipment is no more complicated than your average car or truck, yet it costs quite a bit more.

That is because it has to meet FDA requirements, including being serviced and tested regularly. Much of the stuff today is nuclear, and is just a bit more complex then your truck.

Originally posted by groingrinder
Also there is no reason for hospitals to make a profit. Pay the bills, pay the staff, pay for the equipment and upkeep of the premesis, pay to build the building. What more do you need?

Hospitals are businesses like any other. They have boards of directors, and shareholders to whom they owe financial responsibility.


reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 04:30 AM by Wotan
Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to
post by Wotan


It is you who do not understand. If you pay your taxes for health care then you are paying for government health insurance.


I suggest you read about how the UK's NHS is funded and how it works for everyone in the UK. It is funded by the taxpayer for ALL citizens of the UK whether they are employed, unemployed or retired. UK citizens pay for this through their National Health Insurance contributions which is a paltry 13% of gross income (depending on salary scales). Lower wage earners pay less than this.

Do you honestly expect a country to have totally FREE healthcare for EVERYONE? Then if you do, you are in cloud cuckoo land. I believe that there is only one country in the world that provides FREE healthcare to all and that is the Sultanate of Brunei ....... the price though is an absolute Monarchy.
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