I watched a show on tv a while back that talked about this very issue. Jesus had to die for our sins. And the events leading up to this was judas "betraying" jesus and turning him in. But if you think about it Judas really had no choice but to do this. Alot of people condemn him for this. But i feel he was forced into this. Jesus had to die judas had to do what he had to do to make it happen. This was all layed out before Jesus was ever thought of since god supposed to know whats gonna happen before it happens. So If this is true judas really had no free will to stop from turning on jesus. It was like he was programmed. Shortly after Jesus died judas commited suicide. This to me doesnt sound like a person who really wanted to harm jesus. It sounds like someone who was forced to do so and regretted doing so. I think judas actually is in heaven with jesus. Assuming all this bible stuff is real. Im a athiest but im just saying assuming all this is real. Why wouldnt judas be in heaven since he brought upon the world peoples sins being forgiven and made church and the bible what it is today. If jesus didnt die on the cross we really wouldnt have much faith or believe the same as we do. We wouldnt have crosses or nothing. Think about it.

Shortly after Jesus died judas commited suicide.

There are two versions of that. In Acts 1: 16-18, Saint Peter testifies

"My brothers, the scripture had to be fulfilled which the holy Spirit spoke beforehand through the mouth of David, concerning Judas, who was the guide for those who arrested Jesus.
He was numbered among us and was allotted a share in this ministry. He bought a parcel of land with the wages of his iniquity, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle, and all his insides spilled out.

So, this is very interesting. Judas apparently survived Jesus by a while, and died in a farm accident. It sounds like he could still have been part of the ministry, if he had wanted to be.

Since Judas was not a suicide in this version, there wouldn't seem to be any particular reason to assume that he couldn't have "repented his sins." So, maybe you're right. Maybe Judas is in heaven with Jesus.

Kind of funny, an agnostic like me and an atheist like you, chewing the fat about who's in heaven with Jesus .

Originally posted by eight bits

Shortly after Jesus died judas commited suicide.

There are two versions of that. In Acts 1: 16-18, Saint Peter testifies

"My brothers, the scripture had to be fulfilled which the holy Spirit spoke beforehand through the mouth of David, concerning Judas, who was the guide for those who arrested Jesus.
He was numbered among us and was allotted a share in this ministry. He bought a parcel of land with the wages of his iniquity, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle, and all his insides spilled out.

So, this is very interesting. Judas apparently survived Jesus by a while, and died in a farm accident. It sounds like he could still have been part of the ministry, if he had wanted to be.

Since Judas was not a suicide in this version, there wouldn't seem to be any particular reason to assume that he couldn't have "repented his sins." So, maybe you're right. Maybe Judas is in heaven with Jesus.

Kind of funny, an agnostic like me and an atheist like you, chewing the fat about who's in heaven with Jesus .

True. But im a semi athiest i really aint sure how this is possible. I believe that we didnt come from monkeys or apes or the big bang. I dont believe in the god theory as i call it because there is so much thats in the bible that goes against itself and i dont think in my opinon god is as powerful as everyone here thinks he is. I dont think he created the heaven and earth. I dont believe the stuff because its not plausable by any earth means. I mean theres so many implications thats in the theory of a spirit making this world and all in it in just 6 days. So i dont believe that.


I do believe if there is a god hes not as powerful as everyone makes him be. To me this explains why god lets things happen and explains why the devil is here. Now a god that didnt know the devil would turn against him would make the devil since he didnt know the devil would turn dirty. A god who knows everything before its gonna happen wouldnt make the devil to steal his people and make them evil. So a good whos more "realistic" is what i could believe in. The god that can do all these things and a jesus who can walk on water. I dont believe it. So i dont believe in the god that people believe in. But its possible there is a higher being out there that could maybe guide us. I dont think he could part seas and raise dead. But could be very wise. And could possess some kinda telepathy type skills. Thats a god i could believe in. But raising the dead healing the sick making the blind see. Nah dont buy it..

Shortly after betraying Jesus, Judas felt remorse and commited suicide.

While betraying Jesus was indeed a sin, i feel as though Judas repented before killing himself.

The fact of the matter is.

if Judas asked for forgiveness, he is in heaven.

I'm not sure as to how they would document the fact that he repented, it might have been something he did without telling others.

If you think about it, he was in fact one of the twelve diciple at one point.

If you ask me, what Judas did was necessary, and I cant imagine him being put through hell if he asked for forgiveness.

Contrary to popular belief Brutus did not mean to kill Caesar or even think that he did.

He was merely succumbing to peer pressure.

Contrary to popular belief Caesar did not die in the Senate attack but rather they let the plotters imagine and then suffer for the attack on Caesar.

Contrary to popular belief...

Julius Caesar = Jesus Christ
Brutus = Judas
Caesar's 12 Lictors = Christ's 12 disciples

Rome lies, and Rome wrote the Bible. Enough said. Free your hearts and minds from this tyrany and find your own paths.

Jesus forgave him before he even did it.
Judas did nothing more than what a lot of us all do here on earth at some point or another.

Judas had remorse for his actions...as to is he in heaven? I'll find out one day.

Some 500 years before Yeshua's appearance, in babylon, the prophet Zechariah made this prophecy concerning Moshiac;
Zech.11:12-13 "So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prized at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD."

This of course refers to those famous 30 pieces of silver for which the Lord was betrayed for.

The name judas is a basterdized, helenistic form of his true name; Yehud or Judah, thus representing the house of Judah or the Jews, from which Yeshua came from and by whom was betrayed.

This is an example of history repeating itself, G-d confirming His word, thus reaveali g the truth. Us Jews call that midrash.

So that is what happened; just as man betrayed G-d in the garden of Eden, so He was again betrayed in the garden of gethsemene. And just like in the wilderness with Moses, Judah built the golden calf, so a man called Judah betrayed G-d for thirty pieces of silver, with which he repented, gave the money back, and because they would not put blood money back into the treasury, they bought a plot of land called the Potters field in himmon, just as Zechariah had foretold 500 years before. And that is where Judah hung himself also.
That field is also known as the field of blood (symmetry or what!), and was used as a cemetry for wealthy Jews, the same who Yeshua spoke against! Lol.

G-d knows who are His and who are not, and will even use evil men to fulfill His purposes, turning their evil into good, and in this case, for the good of all.

Is judah in heaven? That's up to G-d.

well Judas did try to return the 30 pieces of silver. He clearly regretted what he had done. I think its possible, but know way of telling. We may never know.

What you really want to look at is predestination. Does God predestine some people, he knows will be evil, to be in a position for him to show his power through them? The simple answer is that according to the Bible, yes he in fact does, and its spoken of quite a bit:

Romans 9:17
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Romans 8:29-30
For [those] whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, [those] whom He predestined these He also called, whom He called these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Ephesians 1:3-6
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and blameless before Him in love, having predestined us to adoptions as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved.

He Also predestines those who will be willing followers of Christ to be in a position to learn of him, become his elect, and be assured of salvation.

Other verses on predestination:

Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:7-8, 2 Thess. 2:13-14, 2 Tim. 1:9, Matthew 24:31, Mark 13:22, Luke 18:7, Romans 8:33, 11:7, Colossians 3:12, 2 Timothy 2:10, Titus 1:1, I Peter 1:2, 1 Peter 5:13; 2 John 1:1, 13.

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