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Is the US technically communist?




Topic started on 27-10-2009 @ 11:16 AM by afterschoolfun


Well according to The Communist Manifesto's 10 Planks of Communism we are. I'm just going to go through them and list the similarity to the US


1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

Well, we call it Imminent Domain and property taxes. How can you own your land if you always have to pay for it? If the government wants your land, they can take it.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

yep.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Inheritance and Gift Taxes, not all the way but the idea is still there

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Criminal property seizure, IRS property seizure etc.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

The Federal Reserve.

6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.

FCC, Dept. of Transportation, FAA, BMV, Drivers licenses, etc.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

Government subsidized farms and the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service

8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

Minimum wage. and labor unions

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

The Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

Yep. Department of Education etc.

Source



So is communism a bad thing? Because that's what we've been told for the past 100 years. The only thing we have that separates us is the illusion of democracy, illusion of free markets, and freedom" of religion.

I once met a man from another country, and he asked what is so great about the US, I said our freedoms. He said that Americans are too distracted by consumerism to see what little freedoms we actually have. In his country there are no birth certificates, drivers license, property taxes, income tax, etc. In fact I never met this man but I imagine thats what he would say.

I think we have just enough freedoms to keep the majority of people from doing anything about it. Take a few more rights away slowly and no one will notice, say it's for the good of the country and thats even better. Get people patriotic about stopping terrorism or criminals etc.

So are we communist? Maybe, but not enough communist to be compared with China or Soviet Russia.



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reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 12:18 PM by TheCoffinman




I pledge allegiance, to the flag of the united socialist states of america, and to the socialism, for which it stands, one nation, under totalitarianism, for an individual, without liberties and oppression for all.



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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 10:12 AM by afterschoolfun


I did a search and nothing came up for this. I guess it's common knowledge here, right?



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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 10:22 AM by drwizardphd


Originally posted by TheCoffinman

I pledge allegiance, to the flag of the united socialist states of america, and to the socialism, for which it stands, one nation, under totalitarianism, for an individual, without liberties and oppression for all.


Socialism and communism are two very different things. You should... look it up.

Eh, who am I kidding, by remaining ignorant you'll stay in the majority, so do whatever you want.


Anyway, you bring up some good points OP. While I certainly wouldn't go as far as to say the US is Communist, it is definitely a combination of socialism and capitalism. This is not a new thing either, we have been pretty socialized for quite some time now.

However, what's interesting is, you could apply these 10 principles to almost any developed country and get the same answer. So I would assume you could call, at least by Marx's definition, every single developed nation communist.

However, that would be ignoring some of the more distinguishing facets of communism, such as its golden principle (from each to each..) and the fact that the vast majority of developed nations currently employ capitalism in some form.



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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 10:24 AM by MKULTRA


Originally posted by afterschoolfun
I did a search and nothing came up for this. I guess it's common knowledge here, right?


Yes, I've read the liberty zone article before and agree with all points. If you are interested in hearing more details, check out George Gordon's broadcasts (the george gordon school of law). The guy is prolific and hilarious. His general point is that the 10 planks of the communist manifesto are in direct opposition to the 10 commandment model. He says that while the United States was founded on the 10 commandment model, our various representatives have turned us into a system of law that practices and advocates the 10 planks. Worth a listen!



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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 10:40 AM by afterschoolfun


Originally posted by drwizardphd
However, that would be ignoring some of the more distinguishing facets of communism, such as its golden principle (from each to each..) and the fact that the vast majority of developed nations currently employ capitalism in some form.



What about increased income taxes? The rich pay more % than poor people. And do we? It's more like sudo-capitalism, maybe for the average Joe buying a Xbox360 it is, but the government controls almost every aspect of the economy.

Fine. Whatever, just let the government take over even more, why do I waste time? It's not like we can change anything. If the government wants to do something, there's nothing average people can do, we let it get too big and powerful.



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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 10:55 AM by TheCoffinman


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my calling it the united socialist states of america is in reference to the union of soviet socialist republics.... go read a history book



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reply posted on 28-10-2009 @ 03:28 PM by RoofMonkey


Originally posted by afterschoolfun

Is the US technically communist?




"technically?"

I think "actually" is a better word. About 30 years ago... I had a teacher state point blank that there was very little difference between the governmental structures of the United States and the current standing USSR. The only real difference was in name only.

30 years later... I have to wonder if maybe he was right.

[edit on 28-10-2009 by RoofMonkey]



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