Where is the Left's apology to Bush?

Originally posted by RedDragon

Before Saddam was in power, who put him there? Who kept Saddam in power? The answer to both is: the Iraqi people.

Wrong. The answer to that is Saddam himself. He murdered his way to power.

Originally posted by TrueLies
Because alot of them smoke from the same crack pipe as you do.

OH MY GOD...............THAT WAS FUNNY.......SPIT ALL OVER MY MONITOR

Wrong. The answer to that is Saddam himself. He murdered his way to power.

Well, he did have to get that power from somewhere. That somewhere was from Iraqi people and leaders. He may have murdered, but no one stopped him and look where he got. I.E- If you kill someone and declare yourself dictator then people will just laugh at you. But, if you do it with the support of many people then you have a viable claim to it. And yes, the Iraqi people still kept him power.

I'm starting to think that alot of people on here are very young, judging by the "say your age here" in the member's profile, and these kids are no doubt subjected to liberal teacher's.

A statement like: The Iraqi's put Hussein is power is obviously a very stupid statement as well not a very well thought out or researched comment.

Curme is obviously a little kid as well judging by his miseducated and misguided idiologies.

Am I on a kiddie site here?
Surely, these idiotic statements can't be coming from adult liberals?! But are they?
Are these kids repeating the same moronic statements that their older peers are? Namely teachers and parents.

it comes from somewhere, and I can only guess it's coming from the fanatical left wing numb skulls.

Excuse me while I go try to jump start my brain.

Really, TrueLies? OK, then who did put Saddam in power? And, don't say "himself".

Here you go RD, I understand this was a little before your time.

www.geocities.com...

I'm not going to molly coddle you Dragon.
You clearly are a little boy who knows nothing.

But here's a link for you to do your OWN research.
Read it....... For future reference you might want to try thinking before you speak... Because right now you appear to be a total jack ass. Here dummy

The article said that he didn't execute until he was in power, from whence he executed 450 people in his first week. (AKA- The Iraqi people still helped him into power; even if he executed on the way to power, he still would have had the support of many more people than he executed.) 450 people out of millions isn't large fraction of the population. Even with the 450 gone, he was able to stay in power with the millions that let him stay.

If I learned anything here at ATS it's NEVER TRUST anyone with the word "Dragon" in their name. They all seem to be antagonists.

[Edited on 5/18/2004 by Venus]

Originally posted by RedDragon
The article said that he didn't execute until he was in power, from whence he executed 450 people in his first week. (AKA- The Iraqi people still helped him into power; even if he executed on the way to power, he still would have had the support of many more people than he executed.) 450 people out of millions isn't large fraction of the population. Even with the 450 gone, he was able to stay in power with the millions that let him stay.

I give up. To paraphrase a golden oldie, "You can lead a liberal to knowledge but you can't make him think".

Hang in there RD.

Originally posted by TrueLies

Am I on a kiddie site here?
Surely, these idiotic statements can't be coming from adult liberals?! But are they?
Are these kids repeating the same moronic statements that their older peers are? Namely teachers and parents.

It's getting close to my bedtime, so I'll be quick. Deny ignorance. It's a little phrase you'll hear a lot. Liberals? Conservatives? Who cares? You need to look at things with a critical eye. Don't just ingest what is fed to you, because most of it is not true. I suggest after you read something, just google it and see what the other side says about it. Even if you don't agree with it, it may make you curious, and you'll want to know more. It's like a drug, knowledge is. Once you get it, you need more and more!

Curme,

I know about knowledge being very addicting, I love to learn too, but your mental state seem to be that of a mental retarded liberal who doesn't know logical or morale if it slapped them in the face. Your following in their footsteps and they aren't shoes you want to be following because they'll only take you round and round and round in circles.

And when you finally do get em in a corner they'll try any escape route they can even if it doesn't make sense, they can't admit when they are wrong, they will bitch and complain about all thats wrong in the world, but will never come up w/ a solution to fix it.

Their fault finding, not problem solvers.
Their double standards go something like it's good for me but it's not good for the rest of you.
Or we need freedom of speech, but you can't say this but we can.

Their #ing hypocrites and getting more and more socialist as this world comes to an end.

It's just not the side you want to be on.

Try staying the middle where the truth lies.
You'll get further and more wise because both sides have a problem with self righteousness and thats not a good attitude to have when your playing with fire.

Well, TrueLies, going by your logic, Saddam Hussein as himself, only one man, is stronger than the millions of people he had to use to get into poewr.
Don't get me wrong here, Saddam was a bad guy, in my oppinion. I just think that he had some help from the Iraqi people getting into power. lol. You kind of sound like my friend arguing that we never invaded Iraq, but only "liberated" it.
Anyways, see you arround, logically.

You say invade others say liberate.

When the German's ran over to west germany for freedom it's because America went in there and "invaded" them, tore down the wall and let people go free from a communist murderous government.

Just like Iraq.
It's not over yet, and their still rooting out the problem.
You can say what you want about "invading" iraq and if in the end Iraqi's aren't happy with their democracy, i'll be the first to apologise to you. But in the mean time, I think we're doing a good thing, like we've done to other now free countries in the past.

Not once have I seen America "invade" a country and open the doors to a murderous dictator / government.

In fact it's always been the opposite.


Take your anti freedom bull# rhetoric elsewhere.

Yeah, see ya around... Logically...

I just noticed your avatar...

Cartman in a nazi uniform...

I could make a "logical" correlation between your negative anti freedom attitude and your avatar....

I see where your now coming from...

When my husband returned from the Gulf War, a war that was fought because Saddam decided he just had to have Kuwait's oil, i contracted Gulf War Syndrome from him, which put me in a coma in the hospital and left me with several medical problems as a result. If I could, I'd go beat him up myself.

Nah, on second thought, I wouldn't want to hurt him. I forgive the guy for hurting me and inevitably my entire family. It's not his fault that the accumulation of power is all he ever knew that brought him any happiness. Sad though, very sad. Maybe we should just outlaw testosterone.

[Edited on 18-5-2004 by Undomiel]

When i read the first post i thought,

'there must have been some huge SIGNIFICANT find i havent heard of'

turns out there wasnt one. Just some old shell that could have come from anywhere or anyone, at anytime. It looks like you bush supporters are desperate to find something to redeem your fallen hero. We all know Iraq had WMD's, but the UN inspectors did their job and made sure they were all (or mostly) gone. And dont forget who gave him the WMD's... the people who then tried to ake them from Iraq... Indian givers is the term used i believe... but variable next time you post make sure its something decent and important not some antiquidated shell that contains a trace of sarin.

Your quote says,

"Protecting the rich, denying the poor".. Err, dude? Shut up. I was poor when his stupid nerve agent crap caused half the guys and gals in our troops to come home and infect their spouses, children and unborns with serious diseases and genetic mutations. I was poor when the people he supported, like that rich Al Queda maniac (you know the guy is a millionaire - poor him) Bin Laden, decided to come here and blow up innocent women and children just to strike terror into the hearts of people that had done nothing wrong to the guy. These arabic princes and dictators are filthy rich beyond the means of probably ANYBODY you know, personally, and yet you defend their right to do whatever they want to us because we live in a country that is supposed to be above such things as self-defense. Go blow it out your nose.

Seriously, what's with all this ... oh poor tyrants, oh poor oil rich princes, oh poor terrorists, give me a break. They might have a point once in awhile but overall their just as much the scourge of the earth as any other filthy rich, power hungry maniacs. Quit siding with the enemy. Grow some kahunas.

Originally posted by Undomiel
Your quote says,

"Protecting the rich, denying the poor".. Err, dude? Shut up. I was poor when his stupid nerve agent crap caused half the guys and gals in our troops to come home and infect their spouses, children and unborns with serious diseases and genetic mutations. I was poor when the people he supported, like that rich Al Queda maniac (you know the guy is a millionaire - poor him) Bin Laden, decided to come here and blow up innocent women and children just to strike terror into the hearts of people that had done nothing wrong to the guy. These arabic princes and dictators are filthy rich beyond the means of probably ANYBODY you know, personally, and yet you defend their right to do whatever they want to us because we live in a country that is supposed to be above such things as self-defense. Go blow it out your nose.

Seriously, what's with all this ... oh poor tyrants, oh poor oil rich princes, oh poor terrorists, give me a break. They might have a point once in awhile but overall their just as much the scourge of the earth as any other filthy rich, power hungry maniacs. Quit siding with the enemy. Grow some kahunas.

So i'm siding with the enemy because i point out that they dont have enough WMD's to justify this war? Talking about the rich, what about all these multi billion dollar companies that donate huge amounts into the government and their presedential races, then reap the benfeits of the war through lucrative gas and oils contracts in Iraq and afghanistan? And were the taliban rich? No. Osama is, but i have never said i'm on his side, i'm on no-ones side here both sides are #ed, the US just hiding behid this shield of supposed 'justice' and 'liberty' when their alterior motives plain to see. And yeah these Arab princes are rich (some of them) but the actual terrorists are some of the poorests people on earth. Its the same as the western world, the rich bastards call the shots and the poor ones do the dirty work. Its the same anywhere you look, so that quote from a song i use as my signature isnt there in defence of the 'enemy' (which i percieve as being bush just s much as i see it being al-qaeda) its in the defence of the poor around the world who are used by the rich as pawns so the rich can gain more money and power.

PERHAPS you didn't read my post very well - I said they might have a point once in awhile, but it has never been worth the price any of us have had to pay. If we let them proceed a pace with their plans and their gathering of massive amounts of wealth and weaponry, no one will be here to discuss these things anymore. The terrorism would increase ultimately until the structure of our country folded under the pressure. I have studied this situation very carefully and know a great deal more about what is transpiring than you are giving me credit for. If war begins, the spoils of war are the next thing on the agenda. In this case, the spoils of the war promise to aid other causes than terrorism - et,al, without the power base that Saddam represented to groups like Al Queda, we are looking at a significantly less well-funded group. STILL even so, the Taliban are all exceedingly wealthy due to the same spoils of war - they robbed Afghanistan of its wealth while they were there. There's not an one amongst them that isn't rich beyond the dreams of most of us even. You miscalculate based on your lack of knowledge of the enemy. Your real enemy does not sit in the white house. It's greed of any kind, anywhere, but I certainly will not fault my own government for defending us and increasing our stockpiles as any other nation would do in the same situation.

Now, I agree this may not always be the most logical course, nor the most humane course, but with a bit of extrapolation, I'm sure you would find the "humane-ness" of the situation would be exceedingly vacant were we under the rule of the Taliban instead of the White House. rawa.org...