They’re Here! Obama Disinformation Agents Are Actively Posting Against Critics

Originally posted by jdub297


Often, the same claims or statements are made over and again in different threads, and never backed up when challenged. You will sometimes see the posters just drop out of a thread, only to reappear elsewhere, after taking a series of “pot shots” at the OP and the author.

A common trait among them is the refusal to respond to direct questions, refusal to provide authority or cites to authority, and ad hominem or straw man responses: “All the people who …” or “Everyone knows …” are typical bases for their positions.

Anyone got a better explanation?

Jw

Ya Jdub its called the nature of ATS and politics combined -

Swear on a stack of bibles me and some of the liberals here suspect the same thing
of "your" side, just replace the principles and reverse ideology. There are more than a hand full come lately members I suspect myself... The reason we both notice it about the other side is because those are the people we engage in debate with. IMO

Originally posted by elaine
Some people said the same thing about "them" being here on ATS back when Bush was in office.

Only at that time it was claimed that it was aimed at criticism about Bush's policies.

Maybe you think both parties do it?

I do...

I suspect there is a lot more interaction with the "other side" when engaged in heavy debate here. Jdub being a prominent rightish should be fairly intimate with the librals and their talking points/strategy as applied to ATSing.

If names start getting listed, people are gonna come in here and of course everyone will deny it and then some flame wars will start up and half the thread will get banned. Bad idea.

*SNIP*

Mod Edit: Post Cleanup.


[edit on 9/10/2009 by Mirthful Me]

Originally posted by elaine
Some people said the same thing about "them" being here on ATS back when Bush was in office.

Only at that time it was claimed that it was aimed at criticism about Bush's policies.

Maybe you think both parties do it?

My thoughts, there aren't 2 parties, its been a ruse for quite sometime now,
newspaper editorials and articles were and are controlled and planted, television news, radio, sit-coms, documentaries, interviews, campaigns messages, all saturated with control messages.
There are trollers and baiters everywhere, some employed to do the task and then the worst ones are the ones doing it to suck up the ladder.
Disinfo agents, scouts, baiters, propogandists, theyre real, and their non partisian.
And some are very very convincing, and very very elected and appointed.

very possible ... why wouldnt they?

reply to post by mental modulator

Swear on a stack of bibles me and some of the liberals here suspect the same thing of "your" side, just replace the principles and reverse ideology.

Regardless of ideology, you should be able to cite a source if you make a statement of "fact."

I coundn't care less their ideology or motivation (paid or sincere) so long as we can debate the authenticity of a claim. Without a cite, or link, or reference, there's nothing to "debate" but a bald assertion.

jw

reply to post by jdub297


I have not noticed this. I did however notice a spike in membership numbers during 2008 elections who flooded this forum with anti-Obama threads.

stinkyfeet
Really I am not sure if they are disinfo agents, but I get a feeling this place is like 75% liberal and maybe 25% conservative/independent.

Really?? Have you seen the ratio of threads here and members? You obviously have not been here long enough.

Obama is the anti-christ who promises and instead of delivering, makes things worse.

reply to post by jdub297


If they are here, and my guess would be yes, I don't see how it is any different from what has been happening for months in regard to out and out attacks against Obama.

There has been some really outrageous threads linking video's that had no truth in the whatsoever, making claims Obama is this, he was even called the Antichrist, not by an ATS member to begin with, but it didn't stop it being repeated over and over.

Practically everything the guy has done has been ripped apart by someone, and yes a lot of new accounts, and some of them by members without the balls to use their known accounts, which happens quite a lot I've noticed, when the thread about bloodlines and going rogue came out, I noticed several posts on there, saying how we have had enough of the same ole crap, seen it all before, but with accounts opened that day or several days before? how can that be? sounds like they have been here for years to make that statement.

Communist, Nazi, Fascist, to name a few, and many members did note and write about a lot of them being new accounts, seemingly made for the purpose of making those posts.

Even Skeptic made comment about it (deliberate attacks) if I remember right in his, thread "Damn The Country, Obama Must Fail for no other reason but they wanted him to fail, without even considering anything being good policy, they just wanted him destroyed.

I just don't see how it is different, to what your claiming now as to then but as the exact opposite, Pot calling the Kettle black would be a good term to use, back and fourth for months and months, but it will only have an impact if we allow it too.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
You americans make me laugh sometimes, lol

If McCain had one you would be saying all the same things against him

thats because regardless of who won the election there both puppets of the same master. So naturally they would illicit the same response. If you still dont believe the POTUS is a tool just look at the way obama is groomed. Bush played the bumbling clown to perfection he was so bad the Americans voted in a black man.

Either way this Nobel peace price is just a joke and further proof that things are not what they seem. Colour me convinced.

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Swear on a stack of bibles me and some of the liberals here suspect the same thing of "your" side, just replace the principles and reverse ideology.

Regardless of ideology, you should be able to cite a source if you make a statement of "fact."

I coundn't care less their ideology or motivation (paid or sincere) so long as we can debate the authenticity of a claim. Without a cite, or link, or reference, there's nothing to "debate" but a bald assertion.

jw

This is true -

I am only trying to point out that I often observe the same thing as you... As your OP
suggests you suspect paid shills, I can understand this sentiment because there were a few conservative ones active during the election cycle. Unfortunately I cannot weigh in specifically because you and I often do not "debate" the same people.

On another note there is always room for spin, I think 9/10ths of ATS political discourse
boils down to the framing of a story,SOURCE, the spin of the story itself or bald assertion.

I will say that the GOP pros last year were very active posters, one in particular seemed to be awake 24 hours a day and would change writing "style" and forget
previous rhetorical flourishes which made me suspect the validity of the "person's/people's" activity.

Like I said you might be right, but be aware it goes both ways...

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This is true;
there are tons of them on the myspace politics forums;
no matter what you post they will always defend the obama agenda;
i even posted dummy threads about something insignificant to see if they would bite and sure enough they jumped right on it;

you guys could go check it out for yourselves....

reply to post by StinkyFeet


My friend,

I live in the Great White North; Canada. Many seem to believe because we have social programs such as health care and government pensions, that we are commies or socialists. Far from it. The economy is organized as a capitalist economy. What few social benefits we have, were won through democratic struggle, of the people, by the people, for the people. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Many in the US denigrate social safety nets not realizing that virtually all the freedoms in your country were won through democratic action and agitation by the proletariat.

The right to an 8 hour work day, paid vacation, pensions, work place safety, the abolition of child labour. These things were not born out of capitalist desire, in fact, capitalists and industrial robber-barons fought tooth and nail against these reforms. These were democratic, and dare i say, socialist, reforms.

Much of the freedom your grandparents knew was because of direct democracy. Perhaps it is time you took a good, long, critical look at how labour was organized in the 1800-1930's, who was in power, who got to control the lions share of the wealth. You might find some shocking similarities and re-occurrences.

If capitalism is such a good thing, why is it the same system poisons the water in Guatemala with industrial effluence? Why is it water is diverted from villages to hydro-electric dams in India?

Capitalism is not the great liberator. Direct Democracy is.


On topic. does it really matter? hundreds of millions of US tax dollars are spent, illegally by organizations like the CIA to import and produce coc aine every year, and you are concerned about the propaganda your current administration is spewing? Show me one US presidency within the last 40 years that has not used propaganda and I will show you the lucky charms leprechaun.

[edit on 10-10-2009 by InSpiteOf]

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
You americans make me laugh sometimes, lol

If McCain had one you would be saying all the same things against him

But if Ron Paul was elected president then we wouldn't be worried about disinfo agents.

reply to post by jdub297


It's kind of hard to take your post seriously as an objective observation when your very first source is "Right Wing News."

The interference of any organization, whether it be political, legal, or other, is really nothing new. The KGB monitored the people of the former Soviet Union and the Chinese government closely monitors and censors its people's activities. The FBI's covert activities throughout the J. Edgar Hoover years are well documented, and I think we have all seen through various threads here of CIA involvement within CONUS. All of which is part of the reason I believe we have all become more skeptical of governments...any governments activities as it pertains to the monitoring of its citizens for any purpose.

I do not believe this administration's goals are any different than any of the other preceding administrations, and that is once they are in power, they want to remain in power and of course they all want history to be read in favor of them and their agendas.

Oh there are definitely people on this forum as well as others I visit that are spreading pro-Obama disinformation and engaging in direct attacks of anyone who questions the Tyrant of Tranquility.

reply to post by Angus123


And here is a prime example. Wonder who pays your meal ticket?

reply to post by InSpiteOf


Dude, most Americans nowadays won't even understand your points.
Willful ignorance has become a virtue here. The land of the free and the home of the dumbed-down I'm afraid.

But hey, wasn't M'urkan Idol great the other night?