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reply posted on 1-10-2009 @ 07:59 PM by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Millions



I thank you for the kind words, I am and will fight tooth and nail, and do what it takes to bring this system down, it only takes one and I never wanted to be that one, put they have an animal against the wall and the only thing to do is attack.


reply posted on 1-10-2009 @ 08:00 PM by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by tinkytink1207



I agree with making money but when it comes to sticking it to people I have had enough, and its time to fight. They dont wont to work with my I refuse to work with them and will circumvent when I can.



reply posted on 1-10-2009 @ 09:02 PM by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by ecoparity



Thats exactly what I said to the managers of these companies.... They hold there hands out saying please sir may I have some more, but they dont let us get the chance to.. Screw em all.


reply posted on 1-10-2009 @ 09:53 PM by PenandSword
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet


This may not be in the right area so move it as you see fit.....

My wife lost her job almost a year ago; durning that time are bills still had to be paid and our lovely savings account has now dwindle from 20,000 to 900, While she has found another job its an 8.00 job and she hardly gets hours...

In the light of this I started to make phone calls to our debtors, asking them to lower the interst rates and explaining our situation. THere answer was no. Mind you I did not ask for a princepal reduction just interest rates. My one credit card hiked its rates from 10% to 27.99%; We own a timeshare ( I know dumb thing to buy but we bought it 5 years ago) The interst rate on that is now 16%; Our two student loans equal 360 a minth and no reduction there. So when Obama came out with the making home affordable program I thought great now I can get some of this interest knocked off my 1020 Sq foot cape cod... No not this time twice denied...

I began recalling every debtor (after I cut out cable, cell phones, out to eat, vactions, zoo trips, family outings, were down to bare nessecities) and asked them to please cut the interset or at least freeze it for me. The said no... Bank of America told me I diddnt not qualify even though my 90,000 house now is worth 72,000. No one would help me I called Federal agencies seeking intervention to help cut the interst rates (not the princepal) they said no... Even my congressmen told me no...

FINALLY I had enough and called them one more time and told them help or else, HSBC Laughed at me and Bank of America hung up three times. I told each Debtor this, From this day forward I will not pay you any money, Not for the time share, not for my one credit card, not for my school loans, not for my second mortage( which I got only because I couldnt get this house with out one.) Not the car, not anything.(cept my main Mortage.) I closed out all of my bank accounts and opted for a papercheck at work, I have one account and that is at a credit union. this has been two months and now my phone is ringing off the hook with threats about legal action. But yet not one of them has address my intial grievances HELP ME HELP YOU.

They call my house at all hours of the night now-) Letters from lawyers-) I will not pay one more cent to this assholes, I diddnt ask for princepal reduction I ask for an interst rate deduction.... I am finally fighting back and sticking it to the Man....

I have money now but there not getting it, and every transcation is done in cash no more credit loans.FIGHT THE POWER OR COLLASPE IT I am working to do both.




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HELL YES! Since I got laid off I haven't paid a damn thing except the car. F them. They caused the collapse. Everyone with a brain knows it.

Take it one step further....DON'T PAY TAXES EITHER! IF WE CAN GET MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO NOT PAY TAXES AND STAND ARM IN ARM TOGETHER IN A NON-VIOLENT MOVEMENT WE CAN END THE CORRUPTION!



reply posted on 1-10-2009 @ 10:08 PM by PhoenixDemon
reply to post by PenandSword



You hit the nail on the head...If you really want to suddenly get our "elected officials" to listen to we the people, don't pay our taxes. This would start a chain of events that would truly be new ground for us here in the U.S.


reply posted on 1-10-2009 @ 10:09 PM by Asuka 24
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet




Do what my wife and I did, threaten them with Bankruptcy!! then if they still don't help, then go file for chapter 7 Bankruptcy. If you get a good lawyer they will work with you on a payment plan so that you can pay for the court costs.

Our main problem was the high interest rates on the credit cards(those crooks jacked the interest rate sky high that we could no longer make the minimum payment).

I got rid of all my credit card debt. And we kept our cars and home too. Still having trouble getting the mortgage company to give us a cheaper or lower interest rate though!!!






[edit on 1-10-2009 by Asuka 24]


reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 12:32 AM by calstorm
reply to post by autowrench


I did something a little different I started asking them for money. Then I would ask to speak to the manager saying that maybe the manager could give me money. Its been a few weeks now since they have called back. Make sure you get a phone number and call a few times asking for money.


reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 12:38 AM by Miraj
reply to post by midnightbrigade




That's pretty brilliant.


I'll have to advise my mother to this as she got hit with the BoA 30% interest rate.



reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 12:47 AM by fleabit
I'm of two minds about this. I do feel that they are almost like organized crime. Jumping 20% in interest overnight is just absolutely insane, and should not be allowed. Of course, anything passed won't even hit the system for a year... so may be some relief eventually, but won't help those who already have outrageous rates.

On the other hand, people accrued those debts, signing contracts that did cover in detail, exactly what they are doing to you. YOU bought stuff you couldn't afford. You have the tvs, took the trips, have the expensive car, and piled up other debts. This is on you. I am disgusted with my own cards and companies, but I do not feel they are "wrong." Ethically disgusting, sure. But they put a contract in front of me, and I signed the thing.

Example: Sears did this to me recently. Bought my wife a treadmill, as she really wanted one. Had the "don't pay until 2010" deal, etc. I was one day late on a payment, and they cranked the rate to 29% from 0%. They increased my payments from 35 bucks to 125 bucks. They revoked the don't pay until 2010 deal. I called, and they would not fix it. Put in a letter, no dice.. refused. So I am paying the 125 a month, and I did talk to one of their mangers, and explained I, nor my wife, nor my children, or anyone I could get the message to, would ever buy a single damn thing from Sears again. They bought out with the CC companies.

But this was MY DEBT! I signed a contract that explained this IN FULL! This is on me, regardless of what asshats I think they are for not screwing me over due to a 1 day late payment. These companies WANT you to pay late. They are praying that you do. Only way to really give them the finger, is never give them your business again. I just don't get the "omg these are evil companies and don't deserve my money!" angle. You signed something that covered everything, you bought the stuff, you defaulted, the onus is on you to fix it.


reply posted on 2-10-2009 @ 12:52 AM by Exuberant1
Hey Poex,

Here is a good site that will give you the laws (Fair Debt Collection Practices Act) and things you need to say to the debt collectors calling you. Read as much as you can.

www.bcsalliance.com...

Example of how to respond to collectors:




Debt Problems: How to Get a Debt Collector or Creditor to Stop Calling You at Home and Work

Do you jump every time the phone rings? Have you been embarassed at work because a debt collector keeps phoning you? If so, then there is a simple way to get debt collectors and creditors to stop calling you.

Congress enacted federal legislation that regulates debt collectors and collection attorneys and protects the rights of debtors. This law, The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, requires that debt collectors and attorneys stop phoning you at home and at work once you ask them to stop. The law specifies that your request must be in writing, therefore, you should tell them to stop calling you at home and at work the next time they call, but then follow it up with a certified letter, return receipt requested. (Our debt kit includes a sample letter on this subject and 20 other sample letters.)

Sample telephone script:

You: Hello.

Collector: Is this Jane Doe?

You: Speaking.

Collector: Hello, Mrs. Doe. I'm Charlie with Acme Collections calling again about your delinquent credit card account with XYZ Bank. Could I get a payment of $250 by check over the phone from you today?

You: No, I don't have the money. As I told you before, I am currently unemployed and simply can't pay right now.

Collector: Well, Mrs. Doe, this account is seriously delinquent and we will continue our collection efforts.

You: I understand, but I simply cannot pay right now. It is a waste of your time and mine to keep calling me when I can't pay. I am requesting that you not contact me by phone in the future. I do not want to receive any more calls from you at home or at work and am asking you to communicate with me only in writing.

Collector: Okay, Mrs. Doe, I'll put your request in our files.

You: Thank you. Goodbye.

If the debt collector refuses to comply with your do not call request you will have to quote the actual law:

Collector: No, Mrs. Doe. We will continue to call you until you pay this debt!

You: The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act requires that you stop phoning me at home and at work once I request that you do so. I intend to send you a certified letter tomorrow putting my no contact request in writing. If you continue to phone me, then I will file a complaint with the FTC and the attorney general."

If the original creditor refuses to comply with your do not call request:

The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act does not apply to original creditors, like a credit card company; it only applies to debt collection agencies and attorneys collecting debt. Therefore, do not quote the FDCPA to get original creditors to stop calling. Instead, quote state law which governs original creditors but usually has similar provisions to the federal legislation. Sample script:

You: It is my understanding that [Texas, Michigan, California] law requires that you stop phoning me at home and at work when I request that you do so, is that correct?

Creditor: Yes, but we will continue our collection efforts.

You: I understand that, but Texas law says that you must stop phoning me at home and at work once I ask you to. I am officially requesting that you not phone me at home or at work. If you need to communicate with me, then do it in writing. I will send you a certified letter this week officially asking you to stop contacting me by phone.

Creditor: Alright Mrs. Doe. As you request, we will not phone you in the future.

Note: Collectors do have the right to call you after you request them to stop phoning you if the status of your account changes. They can call you to tell you they are (1) giving up collection efforts; (2) are turning your account over to an attorney; or (3) are going to sue you. But usually, they won't call you again after you request that they don't. If a debt collector does contact you after you request that he stop, you might have the right to sue and collect damages.



*I hope this helps. If you use the right words next time you talk to these collectors, they will be soon breaking the law (bad for them, good for you)
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