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reconsider what?
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reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 06:19 PM by ArMaP
reply to post by kosmicjack
Could you please explain it better, with a non-US public in mind?
Thanks in advance.
Could you please explain it better, with a non-US public in mind?
Thanks in advance.
reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 06:20 PM by threekings
reply to post by Mr.Hyde
This is the most relevant argument on the subject. But to address the problems further you need to account for this:
We are over populated. There are limited resources in this world and the population is growing exponentially. This has nothing to do with business models at the end of the day other than the direction we are in is one slated for collapse. The joblessness today, It has to do with our limited resources and too much consumption.
Resources are going to run out and our current consumption will not support the population. We need to have renewable everything, energy, food, building materials, etc. for our species to survive at the current population.
What jobs you give the people after that is irrelevant. The majority of jobs nowadays are useless anyways. Tell me why there are thousands of people working in office buildings... and what exactly do they contribute to society? Nothing. They are useless. Most of the people that read this are most like useless. If you send memos all day, do charts, graphs, and other menial tasks, you are as useless as a guard dog with no vocal chords.
Our banking systems and other bureaucracies waste time and paper. And you are right that some of it can be attributed to the elite, how they run business and how the corporate world has evolved. But the root of the problem is resources. If we had unlimited resources this idea of growth for recovery could actually help us. But, as of now we are nailing our coffins shut.
Just look at the ignorant comments the Canadian Prime Minister made at the g20.
A year ago, stock markets were falling at a precipitous rate and financial institutions were collapsing in ways not seen since the 1930s, "now we are seeing signs of growth," Harper said.
Link
Growth? We don't need growth, we need conservation and solutions to the global resource shortage (I don't think that's been coined yet, but mark my words)
This is one of the scariest times in history because politicians are flat out ignoring the problems that lay ahead of us and dancing around the issues looking for non-existent problems to blame.
Just remember, the jobs you are looking for are probably not even needed in the first place. So as are consumption continues to increase and supply lines shorten. don't expect any more job 'growth'.
This is the most relevant argument on the subject. But to address the problems further you need to account for this:
We are over populated. There are limited resources in this world and the population is growing exponentially. This has nothing to do with business models at the end of the day other than the direction we are in is one slated for collapse. The joblessness today, It has to do with our limited resources and too much consumption.
Resources are going to run out and our current consumption will not support the population. We need to have renewable everything, energy, food, building materials, etc. for our species to survive at the current population.
What jobs you give the people after that is irrelevant. The majority of jobs nowadays are useless anyways. Tell me why there are thousands of people working in office buildings... and what exactly do they contribute to society? Nothing. They are useless. Most of the people that read this are most like useless. If you send memos all day, do charts, graphs, and other menial tasks, you are as useless as a guard dog with no vocal chords.
Our banking systems and other bureaucracies waste time and paper. And you are right that some of it can be attributed to the elite, how they run business and how the corporate world has evolved. But the root of the problem is resources. If we had unlimited resources this idea of growth for recovery could actually help us. But, as of now we are nailing our coffins shut.
Just look at the ignorant comments the Canadian Prime Minister made at the g20.
A year ago, stock markets were falling at a precipitous rate and financial institutions were collapsing in ways not seen since the 1930s, "now we are seeing signs of growth," Harper said.
Link
Growth? We don't need growth, we need conservation and solutions to the global resource shortage (I don't think that's been coined yet, but mark my words)
This is one of the scariest times in history because politicians are flat out ignoring the problems that lay ahead of us and dancing around the issues looking for non-existent problems to blame.
Just remember, the jobs you are looking for are probably not even needed in the first place. So as are consumption continues to increase and supply lines shorten. don't expect any more job 'growth'.
reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 06:30 PM by Mr.Hyde
reply to post by SpaceMonkeys
That's the entire point of completing Higher Education. To make a better wage. So, perhaps you should reconsider.
Completing Higher Education. In your adamant claim, that you refuse to be a slave to the dollar, you are in tandem with being a slave to the dollar according to the actions your taking.
Your just went into a huge amount of debt = slave to the dollar. Will buy a home once you graduate = slave to the dollar. This example is endless. You can't escape the current system. All you can do is make the best of it. I work with many people that have a wide arrange of degrees and not one of them can find a job in-line with the degrees they have. Hate the dollar all you want... but like everyone else, we all wish we had more of them.
That's the entire point of completing Higher Education. To make a better wage. So, perhaps you should reconsider.
Completing Higher Education. In your adamant claim, that you refuse to be a slave to the dollar, you are in tandem with being a slave to the dollar according to the actions your taking.
Your just went into a huge amount of debt = slave to the dollar. Will buy a home once you graduate = slave to the dollar. This example is endless. You can't escape the current system. All you can do is make the best of it. I work with many people that have a wide arrange of degrees and not one of them can find a job in-line with the degrees they have. Hate the dollar all you want... but like everyone else, we all wish we had more of them.
reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 06:35 PM by threekings
reply to post by silent thunder
I don't know who's famous for it, but I have had that same philosophy my whole life. I always looked at it like this;
You need food, clothing, shelter and health care to survive.
If a woman can sew 100 shirts a week. She could have enough clothing for a year in only a few days.
If a farmer can grow thousands of pounds of potatoes in only a few months he can feed his family and have huge surpluses still after wards.
If a family could together build a new house in a few months, they would have one for themselves and be able to build a couple more every year.
Now, how is our distribution of wealth? It's crap. And what people earn is crap.
A builder should be making at least a million a year based on what extra he can provide every year. I know people in renovations and building that can't afford to buy a house. But they can build one no problem.
The woman that sews, at the price of clothing today she could easily be making half a million.
That farmer, he could be rich too.
Now lets say we have a small community, 100 people, all the people in these fields have plenty of surplus, they pay the doctors, the entertainers, anyone else who is in a non-producing field.
These people should be rich. Not only these people but the entire community should be rich. But in our society, we have been overproducing, we created millions of useless jobs that forced producers to produce more and now we are going to hit the top where we can't sustain ourselves.
There is no reason for the people to be as poor as we our now. There has been some really irresponsible planning and irresponsible consumption.
I don't know who's famous for it, but I have had that same philosophy my whole life. I always looked at it like this;
You need food, clothing, shelter and health care to survive.
If a woman can sew 100 shirts a week. She could have enough clothing for a year in only a few days.
If a farmer can grow thousands of pounds of potatoes in only a few months he can feed his family and have huge surpluses still after wards.
If a family could together build a new house in a few months, they would have one for themselves and be able to build a couple more every year.
Now, how is our distribution of wealth? It's crap. And what people earn is crap.
A builder should be making at least a million a year based on what extra he can provide every year. I know people in renovations and building that can't afford to buy a house. But they can build one no problem.
The woman that sews, at the price of clothing today she could easily be making half a million.
That farmer, he could be rich too.
Now lets say we have a small community, 100 people, all the people in these fields have plenty of surplus, they pay the doctors, the entertainers, anyone else who is in a non-producing field.
These people should be rich. Not only these people but the entire community should be rich. But in our society, we have been overproducing, we created millions of useless jobs that forced producers to produce more and now we are going to hit the top where we can't sustain ourselves.
There is no reason for the people to be as poor as we our now. There has been some really irresponsible planning and irresponsible consumption.
reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 06:40 PM by SpaceMonkeys
reply to post by Mr.Hyde
Ive got my degree but Im looking for a job and also cant find one. But the person I was replying to seemed to think that we all should look for any slave labor job. But my argument was that Ive worked my ass off and got into a lot of debt so I can escape that and do the work Im interested in. But by not being able to find a job I have found myself temporarily unemployed but I refuse to go back to slave labor.
[edit on 27-9-2009 by SpaceMonkeys]
Ive got my degree but Im looking for a job and also cant find one. But the person I was replying to seemed to think that we all should look for any slave labor job. But my argument was that Ive worked my ass off and got into a lot of debt so I can escape that and do the work Im interested in. But by not being able to find a job I have found myself temporarily unemployed but I refuse to go back to slave labor.
[edit on 27-9-2009 by SpaceMonkeys]
reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 06:42 PM by kosmicjack
reply to post by ArMaP
Well, I can only speak from my own experience. My 401k lost a significant portion of it's value (20% roughly) compared to what I put in and my employer stopped matching my funds. Same for my husband.
Some employers also put limits on the amount you could borrow against and/or required you to wait for a certain amount of time between your request for loan on the funds and when it was actually paid out.
My grandparents literally lost 50% of their net worth because they trusted their adviser, despite our pleas, who did not restructure their investments.
Many people of retirement age are postponing it until the economic crisis subsides, rather than restructure and start drawing down in uncertain times.
I personally have three retirement age ladies who work with me.
[edit on 27/9/2009 by kosmicjack]
Well, I can only speak from my own experience. My 401k lost a significant portion of it's value (20% roughly) compared to what I put in and my employer stopped matching my funds. Same for my husband.
Some employers also put limits on the amount you could borrow against and/or required you to wait for a certain amount of time between your request for loan on the funds and when it was actually paid out.
My grandparents literally lost 50% of their net worth because they trusted their adviser, despite our pleas, who did not restructure their investments.
Many people of retirement age are postponing it until the economic crisis subsides, rather than restructure and start drawing down in uncertain times.
I personally have three retirement age ladies who work with me.
[edit on 27/9/2009 by kosmicjack]
reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 06:49 PM by threekings
reply to post by Shadowflux
This is well said, the current system rewards people for staying in their menial jobs and living off nothing. The people at the top reap the rewards and the prosperity that was once available has disappeared.
This is well said, the current system rewards people for staying in their menial jobs and living off nothing. The people at the top reap the rewards and the prosperity that was once available has disappeared.
reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 07:05 PM by Mr.Hyde
reply to post by Chronogoblin
I agree with your post. What's the point. We have no driving force other than being a consumer. It's our civic duty. After 911 President Bush's focus was on telling people to go out and spend money. Why, because as the money is spent the wheels of business continue to turn. It's our only true civic duty. Spend money and pay taxes. What is the true value of being a citizen to the American power structure?
There is no undiscovered Country, there is no driving force to do anything other than consume. Work hard, get good grades, buy a nice car/house and have children. All to one day leave it your children so the cycle can continue. The common denominator here is the programmed social paradigm we all have. Question this and you will be viewed as a weird-o or crazy, perhaps anti-social or unhealthy. Why, because its a programmed reality we share as Americans.
Can anyone define what it means to live the American Life. I love my Country, I want to make that very clear. I am not bashing America here. Is our Government to blame, does the blame rest in the hands of our employer? Could it be that we as a species have lived to and reached the end-point to our capacity? Or so far as we have been permited by TPTB.
We as citizens wake up to jobs that are hated and unappreciated. Yet we seem careless and crass to those that would love to have the very jobs that are hated and unappreciated. We as citizens occupy our minds with trivial things such as Football and Video Games rather than important issues or matters that face our communities. Why is this? I believe it's because we are educated through prepackaged intelligence, lesson plans and school programs that instill obedience and acceptance of the pecking order. We can't easily step outside this paradigm. Those of us living within the American Society wonder what's it all for? We all want the same things, to live peacefully. Yet we turn on the 24 hour news cycle and see that our Country is at war in multiple locations. We don't seem to care, as the masses are not personally involved,"The enemy isn't coming down my street" mentality. Those that we are at war with want the same, to live their lives peacefully. So there's a lack of interest and actions to such things. Why do people feel this way? Why do people feel they are too small to make a difference? Why do people continue to accept menial lives?
There is no choice as this is the system and times we live in today.
[edit on 27-9-2009 by Mr.Hyde]
I agree with your post. What's the point. We have no driving force other than being a consumer. It's our civic duty. After 911 President Bush's focus was on telling people to go out and spend money. Why, because as the money is spent the wheels of business continue to turn. It's our only true civic duty. Spend money and pay taxes. What is the true value of being a citizen to the American power structure?
There is no undiscovered Country, there is no driving force to do anything other than consume. Work hard, get good grades, buy a nice car/house and have children. All to one day leave it your children so the cycle can continue. The common denominator here is the programmed social paradigm we all have. Question this and you will be viewed as a weird-o or crazy, perhaps anti-social or unhealthy. Why, because its a programmed reality we share as Americans.
Can anyone define what it means to live the American Life. I love my Country, I want to make that very clear. I am not bashing America here. Is our Government to blame, does the blame rest in the hands of our employer? Could it be that we as a species have lived to and reached the end-point to our capacity? Or so far as we have been permited by TPTB.
We as citizens wake up to jobs that are hated and unappreciated. Yet we seem careless and crass to those that would love to have the very jobs that are hated and unappreciated. We as citizens occupy our minds with trivial things such as Football and Video Games rather than important issues or matters that face our communities. Why is this? I believe it's because we are educated through prepackaged intelligence, lesson plans and school programs that instill obedience and acceptance of the pecking order. We can't easily step outside this paradigm. Those of us living within the American Society wonder what's it all for? We all want the same things, to live peacefully. Yet we turn on the 24 hour news cycle and see that our Country is at war in multiple locations. We don't seem to care, as the masses are not personally involved,"The enemy isn't coming down my street" mentality. Those that we are at war with want the same, to live their lives peacefully. So there's a lack of interest and actions to such things. Why do people feel this way? Why do people feel they are too small to make a difference? Why do people continue to accept menial lives?
There is no choice as this is the system and times we live in today.
[edit on 27-9-2009 by Mr.Hyde]
reply posted on 27-9-2009 @ 07:07 PM by poet1b
reply to post by ArMaP
Yes, they definitely teach Roman history, and the colonization of the Americas. They teach these things year after year, but nothing else. Before and after Rome, they do not teach us anything about Italy, some goes with colonization of the Americas, and the Iberian peninsula.
Yes, they definitely teach Roman history, and the colonization of the Americas. They teach these things year after year, but nothing else. Before and after Rome, they do not teach us anything about Italy, some goes with colonization of the Americas, and the Iberian peninsula.
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