everyone in the army, EVERYONE, is there to make sure the united states can field a powerfull force of deadly effectiveness - i'm sure you agree
right?
All those people are responceable for the unlawful deaths of dozerns of innocent people - thus they are murderers.
All those people helped to reinstate the petrodollar, westenize oil pipelines and secure oil fields for anglo-american investors thus they are
theives.
It's that simple.
I would like to go further if poosible, i want the people who sell AK47's and Tomahawk crusie missiles to die too
The west went into the middle east to steal oil before ww1 kicked off and we haven't stopped fighting for their blackgold ever since - if you don't
understand the geopolitical situation which exists alowing western interests to rob the rest of the world blind then really i suggest you study up,
its really rather imporant if you're going to get into debate about the war. The reason that one corner of the world consumes far more resources
than the rest of the world isn't an accident - nor is it luck or providence, its quite simply and very clearly theft.
When you talk of defending america it's not an actual threat against the good people of utah we're talking about - it's the interests of large
multinational companies such as shell, total and lloyds. The worry is western economic dominance will be threatened, our access to and control of
resources will be removed and rather than being an insanely opulent and powerful set of nations the western imperial nations will be little more than
impotent beggers at the world stage.
Of course i should now argue that a far more effective stratagy would be to reduce spending on stupid wars, prohibitions and over the top police state
activity and concentrate our impressive production potential on creating a sustainable way of life, distributed power generation, modern fule sources,
local permaculture based high yeild farming solutions, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc
i would of course then go on to expound at length about how if we showed a willingness to make up and deal with the rest of the world on a fair
footing then we would reduce the hatred felt towards the opulent west and thus reduce the desire to attack us... this would then make the world safer
unlike the thugs pushing people around and occupying countrys for reasons they don't even begin to understand. Every bomb we drop or round we fire
that hits someone innocent causes massive pain to the family, kids are brought up knowing nothing about their parents other than the oppressive
opulent and immoral west killed them - that is where suicide bombers and real terrorists come from.
i won't bore you with it though because i'm sure you've though both sides of this debate out at length.........right?
as for whoever said the army guy would punch my teeth out, kinda reiterates my point about them being idiots right? They're supposed to be recruting
me to the army and the second i raise an anti-war opinion they're going to smash me up? haha geeze yeah that's really going to change my mind out
the moral issues involved. Oh and actually like i said any of the army people i have spoken to, certainly the recruters, have been polite and kind
never once getting physical - mostly theyre good people, i know that kinda goes against everything i've said, i even have friends in the army and i
tell them this stuff too,they're even still my friends they're that good people!
How can i possibly rationalize this? simple, they are willing to kill or be involved in the killing of innocent people - just because i happen to
know, and like, those people doesn't mean the i hope they manage to kill someone just because i don't know that person. If the defender and the
attacker were both your friends then wouldn't you want the defender to win? wouldn't that seem right?
I'll add something else to the mix too, if my nation ever gets invaded then i will defend it and i'll obey all orders (or rather most orders- due to
human rights / nuremburg) -last time i spoke to a recruiter (purely so i could have a go at the assalt course) we spoke about the defense only option
and he actually said that he sorta aggrees with me but the world is too immoral to change it, maybe western imperialism is going to end and it'll be
a good thing but before that happens he has to look after himself, his family and his countrymen. I have to say that i respect that, it's a logical
and almost moral possition - i however think it's more important to change the way we think about life before it's too late, certainly a war as
obviously about economic imperialism as the iraq afghan conflict should not be happening in our society in this day and age.
And no, humor doesn't come across well in text though I did find your last
line rather amusing. (And knowing how horribly humor comes across, I was smiling when I typed that last line.) 
