Brzezinski - US Must Shoot Down Israelis If They Attack Iran

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posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 08:10 AM
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Zbig Brzezinski: Obama Administration Should Tell Israel U.S. Will Attack Israeli Jets if They Try to Attack Iran

The national security adviser for former President Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski, gave an interview to The Daily Beast in which he suggested President Obama should make it clear to Israel that if they attempt to attack Iran's nuclear weapons sites the U.S. Air Force will stop them.

"We are not exactly impotent little babies," Brzezinski said. "They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch? ... We have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a 'Liberty' in reverse."

The USS Liberty was a U.S. Navy technical research ship that the Israeli Air Force mistakenly attacked during the Six Day War in 1967.

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Imho, he's right.
Israel cannot expect everyone to sit idly by while they bomb another country without physical provocation. They'd kill countless innocent people and start a regional war that would, in all likelihood; be the catalyst to their eventual destruction in that region.




posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 08:20 AM
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Although this would "seemingly" be the "right" (perhaps 'just' is a better word) response to an attack on Iran by Israel -- if what this article states should happen, actually does, then you're talking about an instant game-changer for the U.S.

Although Americans seem less supportive of Israel now than in the past, I still think there's a huge difference between "not supporting Israel" and "actually attacking Israel".

My personal opinion is that if Israel attacks Iran the U.S. should just sit back and watch -- and not get involved period. Attacking Israel, for any reason, but especially under the guise of defending Iran, would be extremely controversial. Given the recent elections and loss of life in Iran, whether or not it was fueled by the media, would not bode well in the eyes of Americans or the rest of the world.



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by lpowell0627

My personal opinion is that if Israel attacks Iran the U.S. should just sit back and watch -- and not get involved period.


It's not that simple. If you let missiles or fighter/bombers fly over your airspace en route to another country, like it or not, you are involved! Through compliance, you have condoned the mass murder of innocent people.

IRM

[edit on 21/9/09 by InfaRedMan]



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 08:32 AM
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We'll probably just claim that we didn't see them until they were returning..


I wonder how long till Dooper and the gang show up?



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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b-b-b-but zee zionistz...zey control evebody!



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 08:38 AM
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Thats assuming Israel doesnt have some say / control on US policy.
I think its clear to all that they have quite a bit of ability to manipulate US.



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 08:38 AM
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They're not going to fly through Iraq, its gonna be Turkey, a good ally in that region. The same route as when they bombed the Syrian reactors...
A good choice, in terms of accessary of Turkey, Iran doesnt stand a chance against the huge standing army and airforce of Turkey, with Iraq and the troops stationed there it is another story...

www.globalresearch.ca...


www.presstv.ir...





[edit on 21-9-2009 by Foppezao]



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 08:52 AM
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It would be wrong to assume that the Arab world has nothing to gain by the removal of the threat of a nuclear Iran. Egypt is also a potential ally of Israel for purposes of ending this threat. There seem to be a lot of people who simplify this situation into an east vs. west dilemma, but it is quite complicated, really.



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 08:54 AM
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What if they fly over anyway?

Well, we have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not.

No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse. [Israeli jet fighters and torpedo boats attacked the USS Liberty in international waters, off the Sinai Peninsula, during the Six-Day War in 1967. Israel later claimed the ship was the object of friendly fire.]

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"A Liberty in reverse" ........ ? Curious statement.

Is this Brzezinski implying that the "friendly fire" on the USS Liberty was calculated and intentional ?
The interviewer missed an opportunity to follow up that statement . I would of liked to of heard his take on that shocking incident.

That American Forces might `accidentally` fire on Israeli planes .....



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[edit on 21-9-2009 by UmbraSumus]

[edit on 21-9-2009 by UmbraSumus]



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 08:58 AM
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I really can't see the US shooting down Israelis to defend Iran - I just can't see that happening - Maybe if Israel do take the direct route over Iraq then they will be intercepted and escorted away at the very most.

But if Iraqi air space is that busy surly they could just blast over Saudi?? They probably wouldn't even ask - just push the throttles wide open and bum rush them. It's not such a massive detour - why are they talking about planes here anyway - Israel has gotta have some pretty speced up cruise missiles right?



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by novacs4me
It would be wrong to assume that the Arab world has nothing to gain by the removal of the threat of a nuclear Iran. [


Iran DOES NOT have nuclear weapons.

DOES NOT.

Try to keep up.

Power plants do not equal nukes.

That is all.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by mkross1983]



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 09:13 AM
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Did I wake up in Bizarro-world?

We actually support Iran? We attack Israel? Now, forgive my political innocence, but I thought we were allies of Israel.

If the UK decides to bomb Iran, are we going to attack them?

I don't know when this love-affair with Iran started, but please, wake up!

I'm going to go back to sleep.
When I wake up again, I demand all this silliness stopped!

-hrrmmphh!-



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 09:16 AM
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''That American Forces might `accidentally` fire on Israeli planes .....''

Why not? they 'accidentally' fired on UK troops during the war in Iraq a couple of times.



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by lpowell0627

My personal opinion is that if Israel attacks Iran the U.S. should just sit back and watch -- and not get involved period.


It's not that simple. If you let missiles or fighter/bombers fly over your airspace en route to another country, like it or not, you are involved! Through compliance, you have condoned the mass murder of innocent people.

IRM

[edit on 21/9/09 by InfaRedMan]


It seems in today's political arena, simply stating you condone something, without having to actually DO anything to assist, defend, or support said act, suffices.

When I said "do nothing", I really meant to not get physically or financially involved. Obama has already told Israel to back off, so should Israel not heed his warning, the rhetoric will be harsh, but hopefully not cause the US additional military action or loss of life.



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by mkross1983

Originally posted by novacs4me
It would be wrong to assume that the Arab world has nothing to gain by the removal of the threat of a nuclear Iran. [


Iran DOES NOT have nuclear weapons.

DOES NOT.

Try to keep up.

Power plants do not equal nukes.

That is all.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by mkross1983]

And to that I have only one answer: taqiyya. That is all.



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by novacs4me

Originally posted by mkross1983

Originally posted by novacs4me
It would be wrong to assume that the Arab world has nothing to gain by the removal of the threat of a nuclear Iran. [


Iran DOES NOT have nuclear weapons.

DOES NOT.

Try to keep up.

Power plants do not equal nukes.

That is all.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by mkross1983]

And to that I have only one answer: taqiyya. That is all.


Ah, so you are implying that someone is lying here? (just my interpretation of the wiki article)

I dunno, I think Iran made a pretty good case that the documents, the only public proof that I know of, indicating the existance of their nuclear "weapons" program are highly suspicious if not outright fakes. After the whole yellow cake thing in Africa, I would have to say anything the intelligence community produces would have to be very highly suspect. Both sides are probably lying here, it just depends on which lie you want to believe.



[edit on 9-21-2009 by rogerstigers]



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by mikerussellus
Did I wake up in Bizarro-world?

We actually support Iran? We attack Israel? Now, forgive my political innocence, but I thought we were allies of Israel.

If the UK decides to bomb Iran, are we going to attack them?

I don't know when this love-affair with Iran started, but please, wake up!

I'm going to go back to sleep.
When I wake up again, I demand all this silliness stopped!

-hrrmmphh!-


If this were indeed the case, the world would be a lot better place.
I by far favor Iran Over Israel, and I agree 100 percent any Israeli attempt to attack iran should result in their being shot down.

Silliness, is supporting an illegal state who cries about their "holocaust" while they are the perpetrators of one that CAN be proven.



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 10:02 AM
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Careful now, you'll be called a jew hater. Don't you realize that if you aren't with Israel, you are with the terrorists?


It's almost as bad a "playing the race card." I say hmm, maybe Iran isn't all that bad and voices from nowhere shout "Jew Hater!", "Anti-Semite!", "We had the holocaust!!", etc.

But on the same note, the Arab world uses the "Palestine" card over and over, but they don't really do anything productive to help.

I've said it before.. it bears repeating.. Spoiled, arrogant children fighting in a playground. That's all this seems to be and it will keep up that way until they either grow up or something in the stalemate changes.

BTW, people who deny the holocaust do confuse me. I have seen plenty of books, poems, artifacts, etc. I have spoken to people, and not just Jews, who survived the camps. I mean the numbers could be questioned, I guess, but the fact that it happened... I can't see how that is at all questioned.

[edit on 9-21-2009 by rogerstigers]



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 10:20 AM
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I love this quote from the article....

The Washington Post reported: "Barack Obama, combating the perception that he is too young and inexperienced to handle a dangerous world, got a boost yesterday from a paragon of foreign policy eminence, Zbigniew Brzezinski."


Like Zbig, was some great foreign policy thinker....he did swell under Carter didn't he? Iran blew up and Afghanistan started, plus the Soviets started exporting Communism to other parts of the world. All in all, his time in office was a foreign policy disaster.

I really want to listen to that guy.


Let's see...let's attack Israel for attacking Iran so we will have to do it ourselves later on. Makes perfect sense to me.....



posted on Sep, 21 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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I had heard or read someplace that if Israel does attack Iran, than Iran and it's allies will attack the USA. But I thought they were already doing this in some form anyway?





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