Do you consider an Iraqi man who threw a shoe at U.S. President George W. Bush a hero or a villain?

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

He is better off because if Saddam was still in power he would have been tortured and executed.

The guy is better off.

The guy lived with Saddam in power. He probably went to work everyday, bought groceries, fed his family, and his only fear was being attacked by Iran, or being labeled a "domestic terrorist." Very similar to the climate in the US right now.

He would have never been tortured or executed as long as he supported the state, went to work, paid his bills, etc.

Now along comes the US to "liberate" him, and kill off some of his friends and family, throw his daily routine into turmoil, disarm his government, allow in insurgents from the feared Iran, and tell him he is better off?

I supported the war, because I thought they had WMD's. I also know they attempted to assassinate Bush Sr, and if that were my father, I would blow the h*ll out of them also! But, I could never presume to tell them that I know more about their welfare than they do?

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

He is better off because if Saddam was still in power he would have been tortured and executed.

The guy is better off.

Youre actually right about him being better off but not just him, the entire country of Iraq.
Saddam ruined Iraq and there have been many Iraqis that have said just that and it may have been and continue to be a bumpy road to recovery at least they will recover this time.

Iraq pretty much lived in a state of conflict with someone or something and the beginning of the major conflicts just about coincided with the beginning of Saddams dictatorship and continued on up until the final war with the US
He initiated the war with Iran, he attacked his own people, the Kurds in the North and the Shia in the south with Chemical Weapons, which were also used on Iran.
And of course, who could ever forget whos military was significantly smaller, all because Kuwait was supposedly "slant drilling" into Iraqi Territory.
Also, I wont even go into the interrogations, cutting off of limbs and executing his own people for various and most of the time, made up charges.

So, yea it may have been a pretty rough transition after the US invaded he second time but over all, i think Iraq will have a pretty prosperous future.

Still though, damn I wish that big ass shoe wouldve hit GW right in the eye, Id still be watching that on youtube

As president, Saddam maintained power during the Iran–Iraq War of 1980 through 1988, and throughout the Persian Gulf War of 1991. During these conflicts, Saddam suppressed several movements, particularly Shi'a and Kurdish movements seeking to overthrow the government or gain independence, respectively. Whereas some Arabs venerated him for his aggressive stance against foreign intervention and for his support for the Palestinians,[7] other Arabs and Western leaders vilified him as the force behind both a deadly attack on northern Iraq in 1988 and, two years later, an invasion of Kuwait to the south.

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First they had senile Bush senior

Next, they had insane Bush junior

They were subject to 'sanctions' for a decade or so

The US media lied it's ugly whorish face off to stir up the US sheep with BS about 'babies being tossed out of humidicribs', etc.

The entire country was set-up for slaughter thanks to the US/Israeli murder of 3,000 Americans on 11th of the 9th

Then the insane Bush junior actually SAID he was gunning for Iraq for 'his father's' sake

In stormed US troops, supported by a hysterical US populace who were screaming hatred of 'rag heads' at the same time Israeli 'students' were dancing and photographing the carnage resultant from the planned demolition of to-be condemned twin-towers (and WHO collected the insurance after 9/11 ?). The evidence of the planned demolition/slaughter was collected by the Mob and shipped to China in the speed of light

The Iraqi's museums were ransacked

US troops raped, murdered and laughed and sent home snuff-porn for the draft dodging chicken-poo war-lords to pleasure themselves with

Iraqis were blown to pieces

Iraqis were and still are, producing mutant babies, courtesy of DU and other exotic 'weapons of war' concocted in satanic Israeli and US labs

The US destablised the entire region, allowing their chosen thugs to take power in Iraq

Americans reaped the riches of murder via their investments in the war-industry

America as a nation prospered as usual, through another orchestrated 'war'

The US forced other, less powerful nations to engage in the foul pretence of 'war for profit' in order it be seen by the average sheep that all those smaller nations 'supported' the US

As long as all the bloodshed and murder for profit was 'happening over there, to ragheads and other foreigners' ... a large proportion of the American population was content to watch the US death-machine in action from the comfort of their overstuffed couches each evening

And someone needs to ASK me if I feel the shoe-thrower is a hero ? Lol

Maybe the US whore media should ask the same question of the OTHER 95% of the world's population .. you know .. the REST of the world, of which the US population is a mere 5%

the response would be an overwhelming YES vote .. YES, the guy is a hero !

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Saddam ruined Iraq and there have been many Iraqis that have said just that and it may have been and continue to be a bumpy road to recovery at least they will recover this time.

In all fairness Iraq was "Stable" under Saddam....


But not a place to live free . He controlled the secular violence with ruthless brutality. This is something people will need to understand. If we look at the present situation most of the violence over the past few years has been Iraqi on Iraqi. Now one of two things needs to happen for Iraq to become stable again. The present Government will have to become as brutal as Saddam or the rival factions will have to learn to live in peace.

FAT CHANCE FOR EITHER.





[edit on 15-9-2009 by SLAYER69]

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It was stable because they lived in constant fear of being hauled out of their homes in the middle of the night by the fedayeen and then beaten and tortured, if your lucky, if un-lucky then you were killed.
This could happen for a variety of reasons, someone could be pissed at you and tell the officials that you were against saddam or w/e..
Just your stereo-typical dictator that really didnt need a reason to have his croneys or his sons to accuse you of something and then take appropriate action.
A dictatorship being stable isnt really a valid argument.. North Korea, the old Soviet Union, etc... you get the idea.

But, i get your point... However, like i said, Iraq has improved tremendously and should continue to improve.
There are still terrorist attacks, bombs going off in markets etc.. but its an occasional thing compared to what it was this time two years ago.

peace


[edit on 9/15/2009 by Kr0n0s]

I think the question that should be asked is:
Is G. W. Bush a hero or a villain?

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

He is better off because if Saddam was still in power he would have been tortured and executed.

The guy is better off.

I read somewhere after he got arrested he was tortured, can't remember where though.




[edit on 16-9-2009 by AgnosticX]

reply to post by seagull


Anger management issues? Not so sure about that. Bush raised my ire without fail. No, that man should be drawn and quartered. Throwing a shoe at him was very civilized behavior. He and his puppetmasters need to answer for what they did.

a true american hero

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CNN? Really, do they do news anymore or are they still BO's lapdog?
Second line.

If we cannot call our president a liar, it certasinly stands to reason that a shoe being thrown is out of line.

Enough said.

He is neither a hero or villain. I was really surprised that he had to go to jail for that, harmless, slightly humorous protest by some Iraqi guy.

It looked like even Bush and Maliki were amused.

Does anyone know why there was such an over reaction to that? Why did the guy go to jail, and is now being threatened with death, and he claims he was beaten?

this guy is a puppet of the Iranian mullahs, to focus attention on something else than their nuke program.
When Tel Aviv will be erased from the map, we'll see this guy laughing.

IDK, I just consider him funny. I wish I had that kind of guts.

Originally posted by AgnosticX

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

He is better off because if Saddam was still in power he would have been tortured and executed.

The guy is better off.

I read somewhere after he got arrested he was tortured, can't remember where though.




[edit on 16-9-2009 by AgnosticX]

Thats funny I read somewhere that after he was arrested he was given a manicure and a pedicure. I can't remember where I read that though.

Originally posted by jd140 Thats funny I read somewhere that after he was arrested he was given a manicure and a pedicure. I can't remember where I read that though.

Never heard about that, do you have any links?

During the Saddam era of Iraq, this guy would have been going to work, paying bills, living his life with his living friends and family. Why would he have had reason to throw shoes?

Why on earth are we even worried about this after so much time, and why are we so worried about Mr. "You Lie?" I can't remember his name, I can't remember the Iraqi's name, but honestly who cares about either when there's so many more important things happening. It's all just another distraction.

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[edit on 9/16/09 by niteboy82]

I just read that the guy who threw the shoes is dead. Shot by American military. He supposedly threw a shoe at them, they thought it was a grenade and shot him dead. It's on the front page of the Drudge Report.

I consider him just as stupid as someone holding a "assassinate the president" sign.
If that would have happened in America he'd be labeled a domestic terrorist.

Originally posted by Daz3d-n-Confus3d
I just read that the guy who threw the shoes is dead. Shot by American military. He supposedly threw a shoe at them, they thought it was a grenade and shot him dead. It's on the front page of the Drudge Report.

Not the same guy that threw the show at Bush..

link

An Iraqi man who witnesses said shouted abuse before throwing a shoe at a US army vehicle was shot dead on Wednesday in what the American military said was a suspected grenade attack. Residents told an AFP reporter in Fallujah that Ahmed Latif, 32, whom they said was mentally disturbed, insulted the soldiers as they patrolled in the centre of the city, and then hurled a shoe at them. The US military told AFP that a convoy in Fallujah had been attacked with a suspected grenade. "Positive identification of the attacker was made, and US forces fired in self-defence wounding the attacker," the army said in a statement. "Local Iraqi police secured the scene and transported the wounded attacker to a local hospital for medical care," it added. Dr Ali Hatam of Fallujah hospital confirmed that Latif died of gunshot wounds. The incident came a day after Iraqi journalist Muntazer al-Zaidi was freed after spending nine months in jail for throwing his shoes at former US president George W. Bush during a visit to Baghdad.

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[edit on 16-9-2009 by AgnosticX]