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Originally posted by TangoVooDoo
Originally posted by Jezus
Math certainly was invented by people.
Even though we may feel it is concrete and absolute enough to be considered a discovery it is still a conceptual relative system created by our perception...
It is an invention.
Please inform us of the inventor of math? Does it have a patent?
Again, math has always been. No one person saw that his buddy had two wooden clubs and he had 1 and then said, "Let's create a system based on numbers where we can add, subtract, divide and multiply. So my one club plus your two would then equal.....let's call it a 3!"
Again the name was created, perhaps the concept but the math has always been there. Air has always been here, we did not make it nor create it but we did discover it. It will be here, as will math, long after you and I are gone also.
No matter where we go in the universe 2 plus 2 equals 4. It's an absolute.
Originally posted by Maslo
OT - I have understood the CLT, but I just dont see how it disproves evolution... Can you elaborate on that?
The fact that our DNA is complex does not disprove evolution or prove a creator, its actually an expected result in evolution. Complexity gradually builds up over time.
www.talkorigins.org...
www.talkorigins.org...
Originally posted by John Matrix
but I could be wrong on that...and so could they...LOL
[edit on 10/9/09 by John Matrix]
Originally posted by John Matrix
How do we know that our creator did not create us with basic knowledge of addition and subtraction, language, survival skills, etc? .....
Originally posted by OldThinker
Originally posted by John Matrix
How do we know that our creator did not create us with basic knowledge of addition and subtraction, language, survival skills, etc? .....
John, are not the INFINITE TRUTHS in math...already there...and we FINITE humans just found them?
OT curious????
PS: Thx for the continuous (that a form of data, btw support on this thread!
OT
Originally posted by John Matrix
...With technical knowledge expected to double in a 72 hour period sometime during 2010 it is an exciting time to be around.....assuming that the exponential increase in knowledge continues on it's established course.
Originally posted by idle_rocker
Old woman agrees with Old Thinker, and has nothing to add other than agreement. All things existed before human discovery of said thing discovered which already existed.
Originally posted by TangoVooDoo
....2 plus 2 equals 4 is not created but rather it's discovered. ......
Wow! lotta wisdom with our old age huh? Young folks just won't listen.....?
Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by OldThinker
Wow! lotta wisdom with our old age huh? Young folks just won't listen.....?
That's rich coming from you, OT. Again and again in your threads, you ignore and avoid refutations against your arguments. You're the one who won't listen to the point of admitted bias.
Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by OldThinker
I feel I gave it a good stabbing in the u2u which you never responded to, big surprise there.
In the animal world who teaches a bird to fly? Flight is not taught. A bird has the knowledge of flight prior to actual flight. It's innate.
Hey, did you ever research the leader in your area of study?
Originally posted by TangoVooDoo
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The problem with this though is that no one ever gains knowledge from observation. Knowledge must be prior to observation, if not then how does one know they are in fact observing? So where does knowledge (awareness) come from?
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Originally posted by Welfhard
......as is consciousness and awareness.....