Ah yes a perfect world with two sides ...yes?
Sounds so simple to me with every one with a point of view.
I say let all the meat eaters consume all vegetarians then all life will become some sort of equilibrium.
No! let the vegetarians eat all the plants!
Then whats left?
Dirt,worms, you?
What side are you on?
Who cares?

Well, there won't be civil war, or even much civil disobedience. People are hurting and need work. People like me and others are building businesses and creating jobs. I suggest you do the same, and forget about wars.

The best thing about the internet is that it is teaching more people to type. lol

Originally posted by Janitor From Mars
I didn't realize that a moderator had started the thread.

Regardless, what gives?

"What gives" is that you didn't get any warning for anything you posted on this thread.

"What gives" is that you know that already, from the automated U2U you received when you got the warning for whatever it was you posted.

"What gives" is an apparent deliberate attempt to disrupt this thread, because you know full well that whatever happened is nothing to do with the thread, or me.

Now, are you a big enough person to admit that, or not?

[edit on 5/9/09 by neformore]

The internet is indeed a powerful medium.

There would naturally be a fear that an online Socrates would arise to enthrall the online world with a new vision of a perfect Republic that demonizes the old. Or a digital Marx, that inspires a real world revolution.

Or what of a Confucius or Lao Tzu (Tao Te Ching)?

The reality is the internet is far more akin to Nietzsche than anything else. And perhaps that is fear in of itself. That we would all consider ourselves to be stateless in our opinion of nationality. Let alone the ideas of entropy until our eventual madness.

But the world is what you make of it. With the internet, there are far too many old world power players that wish to shape it to their ideal. Hence the battlefront that you feel Nef. Or at least that is my opinion.

The Obamanation is fomenting a crisis(swine flu,financial collapse,domestic terrorism??) in order to declare martial law and thus seize control of all media including the internet, since the internet is the one media outlet they do not have a majority control of.
Look back at 1930's Germany and remember Hitler was elected to office and only became a dictator after a manufactured crisis (The bombing of the German Reichstag??),after which he proceeded to implement government controls of the media. Hilter was a Socialist before he became a Dictator and a Fascist.
Reasons to do this??,they cannot hope to pass their unconstitutional laws and they will no longer have control of congress after 2010.

The secret is to stop fighting,you all live in fear,and respond out of fear.

Stop being afraid.

It is like a stray dog,the more you holler at it,the more you chase it,the more you try to catch it,the faster it runs away from you.

Fighting only feeds those who attack you.

Think about it....you create your reality,the media and educational institutions influence you to respond in certain predictable ways,according to your conditioning,in order to create the reality they enjoy.

Create your own,quit being so destructive.

It is all quite meaningless,it's just a game.

Think more,think outside the box.

When they claim to be protecting you,realise that it is the reverse,they are trying to skew your perception,your perspective,to protect themselves (media/PTB/Governments)..

We outnumber them many,many-fold,we are the stupid ones.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by chiponbothshoulders]

I do not seek war nor hate.
I do note seek a way that harms.
I do seek that which we can all prosper.
There is a way that does not hate...
and a way that turns a sword into a plow share.
Loves partner is Wisdom.
Many will hear of them...
Few will walk their way...

Your civil war isn't my way...nor of the one I follow.

If it doesn't end with we come in Peace, then it isn't peace at all.

Peace

[edit on 5-9-2009 by HIFIGUY]

distracting the mind is just as bad as controlling it.

I know I am likely to come under heavy internet fire here in my home office but please don't forget the REAL WAR going on right now as we type.

The total Iraq/Afghan death count is heavily disputed and ranges from approximately 100 thousand to well over 1 million dead thus far.

Total number of American troops...

4,316 dead as of June 24, 2009. As of April 6, 2009 there were 31,102 wounded in action. Of these 9,477 required medical air transport. There were 36,106 non-hostile-related medical air transports (9,452 for non-hostile injuries, and 26,654 for diseases or other medical reasons). [30][31][32][33]

Total number of refugees...

As of November 4, 2006, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees estimated that 1.8 million Iraqis had been displaced to neighboring countries, and 1.6 million were displaced internally, with nearly 100,000 Iraqis fleeing to Syria and Jordan each month.[50]

Originally posted by neformore
I do fear that the information war could escalate to that scale though, if some of the rhetorical hysteria from both sides isn't toned down soon.

One man's information is another's propaganda.

Have no fear of the information war escalating. There will always be a continued division. Every truth is someone else's lie, every evil is good, up is down, right is wrong.

The endless push from right and left always finds a way to balance out in the end.

Winning and losing is all a matter of perspective.

Are you looking from the right or from the left?

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Winning and losing is all a matter of perspective.

Are you looking from the right or from the left?

Is Love right or Left?

Peaec

I liked the you-tube guy yelling at his camara ,

in real life , I get alot of that when I am logical, polite , calm , and define my terms till they start calling me names and run away .

the sad news I have is that ... you are not seeing history in the moment .

harperferry is a good point of veiw .

you need to remember that political conversations were very loud and not so diffrent from now in 1860 .
leading into the presidentual eletion the very same ideas and debate was going on in 1858-1860 .

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I have a sound file , I have no idea if it is real or not .
( never beleave any thing you read on the internet )
its petagry asserts that it was vidio camara in the pocket of a press-pass attendee , recorded as sarah brady , jane fonda and hilery clinton talked about a conservitive radio talk ( likly rush )host.
you can only hear one voice , and it is not clear .

the only thing important , that is not totaly exspected was in refrance to the internet , the voice said ,
" free speach is to important to leave in the hands of amatures "

it is clear what was meant , the internet is not controlled , am radio talk show hosts can be managed , but it is unexceptable the uncontrolled , loose cannon , free excersize of common people in un sensored intercourse of ideas .

may I suggest , I will defend the right of any one to say anything stupid and offensive .
I can handle myself in uncivil discord ... and let them look foolish by them self.

what I can not stand for and will attack with word and deed is the sensorship of civil ideas I don't agree with , I love making fools of the clowns , but I need clowns to make fun of.

how can you bedait a nazi , if their ideas are never heard ?
how can you point out that abortion is a medical issue , with no foundation in the constitution , or that bush put in place , what the lib/dem's agree'd with ... agreed to and supported .

how can you say to a animal rights person , children are paying the bills for what your asking , you can't have it both ways .

and the economic failure is a direct result of big goverment , tax money going to a fedaral goverment .

shut the money off and the problems go away .
change only one thing... pull the money out .

money is control , when people control their own money , the people control their lives .

its not hard to understand , its easy to see logicaly , but freedom is never easy to keep , and is easily lost to control freaks with other peoples money to spend .