Pain-free animals to take suffering out of farming

Most farmers know it isfar more cost effective to have happy healthy animals than over crowded unhappy animals. Happy chickens lay more eggs, happy cows produce more milk. sad cramped animals die or get sick, and their meat is unsellable.

Originally posted by paraphi
reply to post by loner007

 

I should point out that suggesting humans are naturally vegetarians / herbivorous is not valid and not scientifically proven or accepted by the mainstream. Humans can eat both meat and vegetable without contention i.e. are omnivorous.

One of the “man-should-not-eat-meat” rants is based on intestine length as a proportion of animal size and (surprise, surprise) the human neither herbivorous nor carnivorous.

Cat is x3 (small intestine length = meat)
Horse is x12 (long intestine length = veggie)
Human is x8 (medium intestine length = meat and veggie – well that’s a surprise)

Another point is of course the absence of specialist organs or mechanisms to cater for the breaking down of difficult-to-digest vegetable matter. For example, we don’t “chew the cud” and have multiple stomachs.

Oh, and what about human teeth? We have a multi-purpose set – shall we call the set an omnivorous set?

The fact is that humans are born to eat meat. Vegetarianism exists, but is made possible by access to a wide variety of food stuff which may not be indigenous to where you live and / or are the result of modern farming and production methods. Soya may give protein, but there’s no soya where I live! In a survival situation the vegetarian would soon realise that being an omnivore is the path to survival.

Meat = aggressive behaviour... Er, any scientific evidence. Anyway, Adolf Hitler was a vegatarian and he was hardly peaceful.

Regards

i am not going to go in depth into somrthing which is freely available on the web for you to discover it yourself. but to get you started heres a link

Eating meat isnt natural.

btw hitler was not a vegetarian thats a myth look into it....

[edit on 9-9-2009 by loner007]

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Thanks for the advice on doing research. I'll confine my research to scientific sources rather than vegetarian focussed websites which are somewhat bias and (in the case of the cited) factually wrong.

Regards

lol again the ignorannce astounds me...the vast majority of studies comparing vegetarians with those that eat meat all point in favour of vegetarians.
heres clue type in at google...scientific papers humans vegetarians....i think u find it most interesting unless u still prefer to have your head in the sand....

Originally posted by loner007
all point in favour of vegetarians.

This whole thread points me in favour of vegetarians. I don't normally watch it, but I saw an episode of Torchwood once that had this great monster thing that was being harvested for it's meat, as it lived. Given some of the discussion on this thread that is maybe the way we are heading. There is nothing in meat that we cannot obtain from an alternative vegetable or plant source, sources which are better for us and easier for us to digest. I still eat meat on occasion so I am in no position to preach, however, I am not usually easily disturbed, but I find this very wrong, and the idea of lab grown meat is just vile. Seriously not natural. All a bit Dr Moreau if you ask me. We'll have our 'meat' asking us if we want rump or chops next and butchering itself to order. Tasty!

I would like to add this as I live in a major cattle ranching state.

Most of the time the cows are free grazing on public land.

What that means is basically the ranchers release their cattle into the wild to retrieve them later in the year. Most of the time these cows are wild cows. Wild cows are happy cows. Sure later they are slaughtered to enter my stomach but in the meantime they are happy cows.

To the vegetarians, go ahead eat plants no one is going to stop you, but if I want a fat juicy steak with my veggies I expect the same sort of freedom!

[edit on 9-9-2009 by DaMod]

kind of new unnatural horror: most probably will finish with new, mad cows disease-like plague.
Maybe one dreamed of by the zombies fans, so present here )

Originally posted by DaMod
To the vegetarians, go ahead eat plants no one is going to stop you, but if I want a fat juicy steak with my veggies I expect the same sort of freedom!

I have no issue with people eating meat although I am finding it harder to justify my own consumption, but I do think everyone should reassess their attitude towards meat. I agree with you, surely happy animals makes for healthier food, who wants meat from an animal that has been saturated with stress chemicals and hormones all it's life? Meat marinated in fear essentially. Many, many people in the west eat too much meat. Of course if we didn't eat so much beef, we wouldn't be able to have so many pairs of shoes or a plush leather interior in our Merc either.

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Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER
>SNIP<

thats what i call a stiff uppercut

dont forgrt

animals eat meat too

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[edit on 9/10/2009 by yeahright]

thank you sunny for posting this.

this news annoys me also. What about all the electric fences around cow fields to stop them drowning in rivers or falling down embankments and walking onto busy roads.

so now the cows feel no pain they will walk right through these fences to their untimely and horrific death!!

Obviously this news is from someone who has only a small clue about what they are talking about.

whats next..

Originally posted by Dramey
and i dont mean the U.S. government because if they are involved in anyway, we need to ban this idea immediately

Hahaha...classic...That had me laughing for a while...but it's dead on...

idea is completely morbid!
If anyone cant stand the suffrances of thr farm animals stop eat meat!!!!
That the simplest way, otherways it will be hipocrytic excuse.
Someone rightly pointed that maybe better to provide a good live for that animals if really we must slaughter them...(and when the stench of death will come to them let them die completely drunk having mega sex- thats quite good idea ALSO APPLICABLE FOR MANY HUMANS...anyway maybe we are too thefarm animals of the higher beings? ) do the aliens/fallen angels, or rather devils eat our souls??? )

Surely pain is wvery important as protective mechanism(see the child trying to "catch" fire of burning candle he will do it no more...unless will become natural born pyromaniac)
Idea of "painless animals" sound really wrong, and comes from that old esprit of Sorcerers Aprentice who opens Hells gate when his Masters not here...typical for the ancestors of Ilumination begotten in French Revolutio times...
All sounds nice but, as always innocent peoples will pay...
Or we will have the animals without selfpreserwation instinct that will unwrap themself from the package in the consumers kitchen, ask her/him how them want the meat to be prepared, then will cut the tasty pieces of their own meat, prepare and serve it - all that singing, dancing and telling the jokes...and then died-already hidden in the garbage bag...
Indians and shamanistic people, maybe all primitive cultures know not much about the pain blocking, but at least they were gratefull and respected the game they killed...

I love animals, I really do.

But I refuse to not eat meat. For one, I like it. Which to me is reason enough. The other thing is LOOK AT YOUR TEETH! We have evolved as omnivores, not herbivores.

I do feel bad for the suffering animals. I've seen the videos. I won't ever buy fur, i'll tell you that. That PETA video worked on me.

But I wont hide behind a facade of innocence here. I eat meat, and I always will.

Originally posted by loner007
lol again the ignorannce astounds me...the vast majority of studies comparing vegetarians with those that eat meat all point in favour of vegetarians.
heres clue type in at google...scientific papers humans vegetarians....i think u find it most interesting unless u still prefer to have your head in the sand....

Just because I hold a different view point does not mean I am ignorant, mate. Taking such a dismissive position is crass.

The fact is Loner007, apart from a vegetarian website (which was a tad bias) you have not provided anything which states scientifically that humans a herbivorous. The scientific consensus is that humans are omnivorous – both biologically and culturally. In the main, widespread vegetarianism has been made possible by agriculture and food production.

Most vegetarian websites compare herbivorous and carnivorous, like the website you kindly provided a link to... But humans are not carnivorous – we are omnivorous.

I am not sure whether anthropologists have found any evidence of vegetarianism in the bones of our ancestors, spread (as they are) amongst the bones of their dinner.

Regards

This is how billions of people eat.

The idea of humane slaughter is funny.

Death is death, and while we all prefer a painless one, it is not the choice of the cows.

Welcome to the game called survival of the fittest. Next time a shark is trying to rip your leg off, plead for mercy and ask it to eat a salad.

To bad PLANTS are living too...they don't feel pain (so we believe), so its fine to eat them...so once these cows no longer feel pain, it will be the same thing, right!?!?

Guess what folks. LIFE FEEDS ON LIFE. Unless you are a plant - which we are not.

forgot what me point was..



[edit on 13-9-2009 by Taikonaut]

i guess its simply a case of p.o.v.
some people have evolved to the point the basic idea of eating a corpse of another creature is so disgusting and antiquated it repluses them, myself included.
and teh second group of people are knuckel dragging mouth breathers that dont underestand things.

Now if we could just genetically engineer the conscience out of people,
it'd be all good! And maybe the stupidity. Is that possible?

I would settle for the slaughter of arrogancy and ignorancy myself.

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[edit on 14-9-2009 by dodadoom]