reply to post by Myrtales Instinct
I'm aware of the 4 levels and don't disagree with them in general. In fact, it is because of the levels that I generally don't create threads,
only respond to them. That allows me to get on the level they are talking about usually. However, here is why I see Christianity as well as you
being stuck in the literal.
The literal is a single expression of the understanding. So I see you taking the 1 literal expression and pushing it as the only expression.
It's not that I disagree with the literal, but I do not not see how one with understanding on a higher level could then stick to just the literal.
I find this easier to explain in terms of math. Math is like the holy, in that it is also understanding, and is an understanding we all have - so it
is easy for me to demonstrate what is not understanding.
So the what I see you and Jesus saying is in terms of math like you telling me 1+1=2. Now, I can and will agree all day long that 1+1=2 is true. I
know and understand why that is a true statement. When I look at Jesus I know and understand he is a true expression, a true statement. Not
because I have accepted it, but because I understand.
But when when 2+2=4 is expressed, Christians and others have a fit. They have only accepted that 1+1=2, they don't actually understand math. If
they did actually understand math, they would also see that 2+2=4 is a true expression.
So when you take "Jesus", in the year "33BC" in "Israel" and among the "Jews". This is a literal expression. I see the things in ""
as only variables. No different than the 1's and 2's.
To focus on these variables is IMO to miss the point. What actually matters is the understanding and things that are being expressed. Would it
matter if "Jesus" was instead "Fred", "33BC" was "1850" and "Israel" was "America" and "Jews" was instead "Christians"? No, if it is
the truth being expressed, then it is the truth not because of the variables, but because of the understanding and expression itself.
I gained my understanding from the father. That understanding did not contain the literal part - at all. Instead of the literal, I was given the
understanding directly, and then shown that the rest are just variables. It was 3 months later when I started to read Jesus - and it was a quote
here and there that got my attention.
So when I read Jesus, I don't accept him because some man told me it's the word of god, because society told me too and so forth. When I read
Jesus, I see the understanding being expressed. I recognize the father and the understanding of the father in him. It is for that reason and that
reason alone that I even take to it.
If one understands things and has the higher levels you speak of - then how can they not know see this? How can they preach and say that only this 1
single expression is and can be true? Especially considering - Jesus tells people to look not at him, but what he expresses and does to see that he
is telling truth in John 10.
33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
How do we know the father is within him - because of what he does and expresses.
The father gave me this understanding and told me I had to be the change I wanted to see. If I was a theif - how could I expect to live in a world
without theives? If I try to push my will onto other people, how can I expect to live in a world with freedom? And so forth. How does one love
each other - by giving them freedom. If you love something, you set it free.
As such, it is up to each and everyone one of us to become a true expression. To follow the example or gain the understanding(which is available to
anyone who seeks it). And as you start to do this - you will find the exact things Jesus dealt with are what you also will deal with.
But then in Christianity, it's this 1 literal expression and only this 1 literal expression. And then people are taught - they could never express
and do such a thing, and that by the death and sacrifice of this expression and truth - they can live. No, it is not true.
Because this world has sacrificed and killed the truth, it lives in the lie. Turn on the TV if you want proof. And it will continue to be like
this until people start to find salvation in the life of the truth, rather than the death of the truth and start becoming a true expression - because
how can you expect to live in the truth if we continue to be part of the lie ourselves?