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reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 01:28 PM by jam321

reply to post by Doc Velocity

The problem is Congress, both houses of Congress, with their divisive partisan politics, their sloppy legislation, and their outright opposition to the will of the American people.

My question to you is should Congress have to listen to its constituents or should they do what is best for their constituents?

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 02:07 PM by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by jam321
My question to you is should Congress have to listen to its constituents or should they do what is best for their constituents?

And my answer is that the constituents know what's best for the constituents.

Your question rather pointedly implies that these jackals sequestered in Washington DC, pursuing their own politics-driven agendas, somehow know best what their constituents need.

However, when they go toe-to-toe with American citizens, we see right away that the politicians do not have a clue about what their constituents want or need. When confronted with the real needs and wants of their constituents, the politicians declare that it is a conspiracy.

And that is indicative of a break-down between elected officials and those who elected them in the first place.

So, no, our politicians have shown us that they aren't qualified to make decisions regarding our best interests.

— Doc Velocity

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 02:13 PM by Mak Manto

reply to post by Doc Velocity

But that's not true for the majority of this country.

There are millions of people who refuse to participate in voting, and who have no idea of how to work around with things like national security, the economy, social issues, etc.

This is why we vote in congressmen and congresswomen.

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 02:13 PM by jam321

reply to post by Doc Velocity

I agree with what you have stated. But I have heard members of Congress say that they did what was best for their constituents.

Just think about the first bailout. We all know that the people, or at least majority was against it. Yet, they voted for it anyways.

The thread below talks about this. These folks think they know what is best for us and that we should be happy with the decision they make for us.

But what they forget to tell us is that some lobbyist is helping them decide what is best for us.

on your reply.

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 02:15 PM by Mak Manto

Also, as I stated in a previous thread on voting within this country, here is my opinion on people who refuse to vote:

If you don't vote, fine by me. It's a free country. BUT, I don't want to hear you later on complaining about how you hate the current politicians!

If you didn't care enough to vote in the first place, you don't deserve the right to complain.

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 02:32 PM by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Mak Manto
If you don't vote, fine by me. It's a free country. BUT, I don't want to hear you later on complaining about how you hate the current politicians!

Ah. That's an oldie.

Fact is, only about 1/4 of the American population actually vote, and only about half of those actually "win" a given election. So, approximately 1/8 of the American people are steering the nation's course...which may seem just fine to those who participate in the voting process.

However, when that 1/8 minority of the population starts voting us down a dead-end path to socialism or fascism or worse, and their candidates of choice claim that The American People Have Spoken, then they are perpetuating a lie of sufficient magnitude to wake up the other 7/8 of the American population.

When this happens — and I believe it is happening — I regret to inform you that the 1/8 minority must listen to the disgruntled 7/8 majority, or face extremely grave consequences.

— Doc Velocity

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 02:38 PM by David9176

reply to post by Doc Velocity

Ask how many Americans are in favor of Congressional term limits. I'd wager those in favor are overwhelming.

Yet term limits will make no difference without CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. As long as we have lobbyist and special interest groups flooding the campaign coffers of politicians...it WON'T MATTER.

Not to mention...this does nothing about staffers who wouldn't be affected by term limits at all...and these are the people ACTUALLY writing many of the bills....which are influenced by lobbyists.

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 02:39 PM by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Mak Manto
There are millions of people who refuse to participate in voting, and who have no idea of how to work around with things like national security, the economy, social issues, etc.

I can think of about 600 or so people in Washington DC right now "who have no idea of how to work around with things like national security, the economy, social issues, etc."

Our Congress has yet to prove itself a solution provider in any of these areas.

— Doc Velocity

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 02:57 PM by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by David9176
Yet term limits will make no difference without CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM. As long as we have lobbyist and special interest groups flooding the campaign coffers of politicians...it WON'T MATTER.

In which lifetime do you think the U.S. Congress will vote against lobbies and fat re-election campaign coffers? It will never happen if it is left to those foxes guarding the henhouse.

In my opinion, we need to mount a grassroots effort to place these decisions before the people in a national referendum — let the people walk into voting booths across the nation and vote to cut the legs out from under the U.S. Congress.

Because Congress is never going to vote against the river of money pouring into Washington DC. Ever.

— Doc Velocity

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 02:58 PM by Mak Manto

reply to post by Doc Velocity

Sorry, Doc.

But when the majority of the country doesn't care, I'm not going to start placing them in charge. A lot of people don't care.

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 03:00 PM by David9176

reply to post by Doc Velocity

In which lifetime do you think the U.S. Congress will vote against lobbies and fat re-election campaign coffers? It will never happen if it is left to those foxes guarding the henhouse.

About the same time they vote for term limits.

With campaign finance reform you make all election publicly funded...equally. No company, special interest group, or lobbyist from ANY entity would be allowed to taint the legislative process.

And really....no bill should be passed EVER until this is done...as all bills will be tainted until it's done.

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 03:06 PM by David9176

reply to post by Doc Velocity

Because Congress is never going to vote against the river of money pouring into Washington DC. Ever.

They would if the corporate owned media would actually make it an issue...but of course they won't as they have interests as well.

It's all tied together. We can't win and we do raise our voices the message is muddled and changed by the media.

Sometimes I think people forget that the people giving them the news are ALL RICH. All of them. There are no poor or middle class people with news shows.

The RICH and the ELITE are the only ones that can get their message out as they are the only ones with the true means to do it.

This is why riots happen.

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 03:17 PM by crimvelvet

reply to post by Moshpet

Sure lets vote all the Republicans out... I'm Joking! I'm Joking! (Sorta, it's not like there is much of a difference in parties lately.)

Vote the DemiRats and ReBooblicans out. Left and right wingers should be able to come up with common ground that a third party might be willing to agree to. Unless of course the UN has brainwashed too many into wanting Agenda 21 and the nonelected rule by "an enlightened elite"

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 06:16 PM by Mak Manto

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Mak Manto
If you don't vote, fine by me. It's a free country. BUT, I don't want to hear you later on complaining about how you hate the current politicians!

Ah. That's an oldie.

Fact is, only about 1/4 of the American population actually vote, and only about half of those actually "win" a given election. So, approximately 1/8 of the American people are steering the nation's course...which may seem just fine to those who participate in the voting process.

However, when that 1/8 minority of the population starts voting us down a dead-end path to socialism or fascism or worse, and their candidates of choice claim that The American People Have Spoken, then they are perpetuating a lie of sufficient magnitude to wake up the other 7/8 of the American population.

When this happens — and I believe it is happening — I regret to inform you that the 1/8 minority must listen to the disgruntled 7/8 majority, or face extremely grave consequences.

— Doc Velocity

If they want to vote, they can. Nothing is stopping them from voting, so why don't they?

reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 06:55 PM by JaxonRoberts

reply to post by Dimitry

Problem is that only about 5% will actually do it! I say throw them all out and only vote for candidates who have no party affiliation!

In fact, let me throw my hat into the ring! If elected to Congress, I promise to never take money from special interests or lobbyists! In fact, I'll hire some biker dude to take care of them should they make the mistake of trying to enter my office! I promise to read every peice of legislation being brought before Congress, and to consult my constituents prior to voting to not only get their input, but give them the final word, and to vote according to their wishes, even if I disagree with them! I promise to never give myself a raise. I promise to oppose the interests of the MegaCorps and Banksters, unless it benefits my constituency!

Should I break any of these promises, I will willingly allow my constituents to throw my crooked butt into a wood chipper!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

Meanwhile, back in reality...

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