Originally posted by Republican08
I suppose this belongs here. Suppose.
Just a simple question, is there any proof or documentation of a 'Miracle', where said miracle, has undergone scientific abuse, only to come out, to
be seen as a Miracle.
May it be Miracle, of whatever perspective you see it.
Just would like to find one, as google searches lead me to jesus, a cancer patient who recovered from chemo, or whatever.
But just looking to see if anyone can point me in a certain direction, or better yet, and a point.
Nah. By its very definition a miracle is something that really only happens once or maybe a few times, but doesn't usually happen and isn't usually
even possible at all.
Science by its nature basically equates proof=repeatable. In other words, miracles don't repeat, but proof is repetition because your results of the
test must be repeatable. So, basically a miracle is the exact opposite of proof.
Kind of like Noah's ark type thing. Everyone is like, that's ridiculous. There's no way you could get two of every animal on one boat!!! Well no
kidding. Even Noah knew that! Why do you think he called it a miracle? If people did it all the time he would have just called it another day at
So, hence that's why there's no proof. If there was proof it wouldn't be a miracle. It would just be basic physics because it would be repeatable
and something we could test for and also exploit.
If there is a God and he's changing the laws of physics around well you can never test or measure that. Why? All of our tests and measurements are
relative to some OTHER test that was taken with the same laws of physics sometime in the past or constants calculated out by mathematics.
Once physics change your point of reference is all screwed up. You'd get a number, but it would be meaningless. It would be the only measurement
taken in that reference frame. You would have nothing to compare it to.
Imagine if the universe was a computer game and God is the programmer. Okay, usually if you started the game and just jumped to the last boss all of a
sudden that would be weird.
If the characters in the game had a conscious like we do, then to them it might be a miracle. How did the main character just skip to the end and kick
the bosses butt?
But the programmer knows he can just stop the program and changed a few things in the game code. Then he can move the character to the end and just
save the game state.
Then the programmer just changes all the code back before pushing the start button and then loads the saved game. All the program code (laws of
physics) would be exactly the same as they were before. To anyone inside the game it wouldn't be repeatable or testable. Every time they start a new
game, just like before, they have to play all the way through the game. But somehow, that one time, like a miracle, we just jumped to last boss.
Now if you really wanna get a feel for what this is like, go download an emulator and play and old Nintendo game or N64 game or something. The
emulators have save states where you can save the state EXACTLY like how it was when you hit the save button. Like frozen in time.
And like a God, if you mess up, you can keep doing it over and over and over. However, once you get it correct, the internal clock of the game will
only be aware of and know about that one time you got it perfect.
If the characters in the game had a conscious what they would actually see is the main character playing a perfect game straight through with no mess
ups like a miracle. But that's just because all the mess ups were thrown out and nobody saw em.
[edit on 30-8-2009 by tinfoilman]
[edit on 30-8-2009 by tinfoilman]