reply to post by ET_MAN
I think you misunderstood what I meant.
I never meant that we should not talk about such things, as in SPECULATE and POSTULATE
. But when people come out in a public manner, speaking
for the ENTIRE field of ufology claiming something as a fact
without evidence to back it up is totally wrong and a MAJOR cancer to ufology in
my humble opinion. There is nothing wrong with postulations and theory discussion, as we do on ATS on a daily bases, and as you and me are doing
. There is a MAJOR difference between pure speculation based on available 'evidence' (note the quotations because even that evidence
is purely circumstantial and hear-say) like we do here, as well many others not affiliated with this site and presenting something very speculative
and poorly backed as FACT. No true ufologist or ANYONE with true intentions would EVER present something that lacks definite evidence as FACT. That is
either a major fallacy on ones part or an intentional effort, it is one of the two.
Also please do not throw off this conversation with Red Herrings about "can I prove every event in my life happened or is it an implant memory".
I am sure that was not intentional but none-the-less it is irrelevant to the fact that in my opinion (and I assure you MANY others) NO ONE should
claim something as fact and talk for ALL OF US who spend so much time trying to make ufology legit unless they can back up what they say with
. I am no 'skeptic'(in reality they don't exist anyways
), in fact I have had personal contact with a 'whistleblower'
who was SCI-OPs in the CIA, but I can not prove any of it beyond a doubt---So thus ETHICALLY all I can do is put the information out there as
"POSSIBLE TRUTH", NOT claim it IS TRUTH. That is very obnoxious, ambiguous, and erroneous to do so. I seriously do not think many who claim a love
for ufology realize just how thin of an 'edge' we are on as it is, every day is a struggle to be taken seriously.
It is funny you said "advance human consciousness"..Okay, I am all for that, BUT how can we do that with hear-say???
I am not willing to
devote my important time to something that someone claims is true. No logical person is. I think it is BEYOND DANGEROUS to even attempt to put
"advancing human consciousness" in the same paragraph as something (government suppressed ET technology) that is less proven than God.
I notice your user name and it is apparent you have passion for ufology by your name and your reply to me. I RESPECT THAT and am thankful ATS,
ufology, and the HUMAN RACE has people like you so passionate about finding the truth about the GREATEST thing ever in human history. But we ALWAYS
must remember that sometimes our pure devotion to the field and subsequent desire for the truth can lead to a blind belief in something,
simply because we want it to be true so much we can overlook logic and science and thus let our emotions take over and get the better of ourselves.
All I am saying is that before claiming things as factual one MUST be able to PROVE IT.
This is no different than mainstream science, gravity
was not made a law because Newton speculated its existence. It was made a law because he PROVED its' existence.
There is NEVER harm in
discussing, theorizing, and postulating certain things--in fact it would be a MAJOR idiocy not to, as that is how a theory becomes fact.
should NEVER skip those steps and just say something that we theorize as fact without being able to back it up. This is ALL too common these days in
ufology, and mostly (IMHO) because a lot of reported ufologist and 'channelers' that have popped up recently (not going to name names, but if you
know anything about ufology you will know who I am referring) are most likely only after MONEY and ego stroking from the gullible believers.
It is pretty simple in my humble opinion....We can all keep proclaiming things and calling out the governments for "disclosure of a massive 50 year
old cover-up" on nothing but feelings, emotions, hear-say, and sketchy evidence. OR
we can gather REAL evidence and BACK UP what we claim and
them MAYBE we will get somewhere. One route will lead ufology the way of laughter and ridicule with us never to be taken seriously. The other will
lead the only place that matters---Where the TRUTH LAYS...
Again I am not alone in saying I am SICK of all these 'proclamations'
from people that claim to be ufologist but never have ANY evidence to back up their claims, especially the ones that will "tell you more for 15.00$
plus shipping and handling". This brings me to yet anther point---In my opinion (and MANY others) it is highly questionable to request money for
things proclaimed to be "proof of ETs" or anything that could potentially further ufology. I understand people must make a living and need to have
funds to research things but there is a FINE line in what to request money for. If your research needs money to continue then by all means ask and
request----BUT if you have already found something of your own means then ask for money to view something that greatly adds to ufology is just WRONG
and usually means that person is full of it. I mean there are QUITE a few threads on ATS that would put MANY so called 'ufologists' to SHAME, should
they require a fee to view? We do this freely....
This is a thing many 'standard believers' (ie not what could be considered a ufologist but they believe and support the cause, like MANY members
here are) do NOT understand......There is MUCH more to ufology than "flying triangles and saucers with Greys". There is economics, ethics, science,
and more. It is not all simple, as may people sadly think it is. I have hope for ufology, but we MUST UNIFY and cut the crap. We need to seperate
ourselves from those who are only in it to profit or advance their own selfish beliefs. Only then can we truly find the truth.
Thank you for your reply and effort to put it together so we can further this great discussion here on ATS.
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