Aethism (oh yay)

I want you guys to tell me what you think Aethism is? Because I consider myself Aethiest. I am not a Darwinist, nor the least bit religious. I do not consider Aethism a religion or an antireligion. I don't believe there is a god, but only the possibility of there being a god.

My definition- Believing in nothing divine, but, the possibility of things beyond the realms of normal perception.(ie: other dimensions, anomalies, and the divine) And then believing only with proof that one has seen for oneself.

Atheism is a "phase" of our times only.

We are too smart to buy into religious dogma, but too stupid to realize that mankind is an insignificant speck, and that there has to be a god.

That's the general people anyways, I find athiests thin out as you go higher up in science

If you think there is a possibility of a god you are Agnostic, not athiests, true athiests don't even believe you live after you die, they think *POOF* that's it. Stupid if you ask me.

Also nothing but one thing is beyond our perception, and that is infinity, but today I had a scientific revelation and I'm going to be posting some things about that so watch out for it

Sincerely,
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Atheism is, as its root words say, "being without religion." Athiests do not believe in any god -- religioustolerance.org put it very succinctly: "Belief in no God, and no belief in God."

It is not a religion and does not offer any sort of plan or guidelines for living your life.

You can find athiests as far back in recorded literature as you care to search. In ancient Greece, athiests were people who didn't believe in the Greek pantheon (this included scholars and philosophers.) Amusingly enough, in ancient Rome, Christians were often called atheists because they did not believe in the Roman gods.

www.religioustolerance.org...

They don't adhere to a philosophy -- they're not humanists (though they may be), they're not communists (though some may be) or anything else. They simply don't believe in a god or gods. They do believe in freedom FROM religion.

www.atheists.org...

If you think there is a possibility of a god you are Agnostic, not athiests, true athiests don't even believe you live after you die, they think *POOF* that's it. Stupid if you ask me.

Why is that stupid? I don't think we go *POOF*, but I do believe that our energy is recycled, our conciousness is destroyed. We don't go on to live and experience, but everything that we were is recycled.

Is it stupid or is it just that you can't comprehend not existing. Think about it, unless you believe in reincarnation, you didn't exist before you were born.

I believe man is an insignificant speck. Why would a god bother with one planet out of infinite ones?(that is, if you believe in the universe)

Does that mean that there are muliple gods, each intelligent race having one. Or does it mean there is no universe, no new worlds, no discoveries, only illusion. How can you explain away thousands of years of discovery? Why does the bible not include references to other planets, the moon(actually I think it may), other stars.

Religion, in my opinion, is and always will be a way to explain the unexplainable. A way that people can cope with the infinite.

I'm not trying to bring down religion, because I think it teaches some good morals, but I am trying to get others opinions and information to better explain things.

Is there anything that cannot be explained by science?

FreeMason,

Why is going *POOF*, a stupid thing? I mean, do you have anymore proof that we do go somewhere after we die, any such proof would make going poof a stupid thing ... But to say it's stupid is just being stupid.

So far, in my opinion, and many other's, your so called scientific revelation's are stupid. None of them are well thought out enough to even be considered scientific, and when someone point's out that your wrong, you get way to defensive and stubborn. THAT is stupid...

Anywho, going by your logic, going somewhere after death is just as stupid as going poof, as there is no proof of either one being right. Please think before you post stupid crap again.

Ok, one question. Someone is banned the second they say something bad about christianity. Yet FM can repeatedly bad mouth Atheism or Islam? No punishment, no warnings, not even a post after it telling him to tone it down. But you even say christianity is a bunch of morons, you get banned. Abuse of power, actually, just plain old hyprocricy. You bad mouth my religon, I ban you, you bad mouth a different one, you good.

Atheism is the idea of believing that there is no god and that there is no need for religion. although many people belief this to me it is type weird to think that humans are "it", and that we have no creator. the universe is so immense, i don't believe that we just appeared out of no where. but i respect other people's opinion and i can't say that i am the biggest religious person there is.

James the lesser...I bad mouth Athiesm and Islam? I bad mouth Christianity too...the difference is I'm fair in my bad mouthing

Besides, really I only bad mouth points of arguments of such, I'm not so much against the religions or beliefs, as I am against the information people present, and the way they use it.

For instance, in some Islam thread, they were saying that Christianity did all these evil things, slavery, war, murder, and not once did they mention the fact that Islam is equally responsible.

That I find to be heinously biased, so I came down on them like a ton of bricks, and I have done that to Christian threads, and Atheism threads alike...and while I could probably have been nicer about it, I wasn't, but now I've made a covenant and shall be.

Sincerely,
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First things first I do believe in Reincarnation, while our lives are finite, our souls are infinite, as is god, which is why in life we can not explain him, and in death we can't remember.

Now as for athiesm, it is the religion of fools.

No athiest ever walked the hallowed grounds of battle, nor graced the high places of the earth. None have traveled to the heavens, nor disturbed the timeless peace of the moon.

No athiest ever has seen the furthest depths of the ocean, nor breathed the spirited air of the mountains high, none have walked the forests ancient, and none are ready to die.

No athiest will stay one, none shall ever see, that in their lives they lived for themselves, not believing because believing is to admit their size. They are not the mighty human, but simply bones within time.

No athiest will die as such, they'll wish their funeral pyre high, no athiest will die forgotten, they plead to those who believe, to remember, and seek redemption to the nearest ember. They will die as all other men have, upon a flame or laid in the sand, and their lifeless form will be remembered, but they turned their backs on God forever, and shall be forgotten by man and beast, because they didn't cross the bounds of humanity, into that infinite universe that we believers dwell in peace.

Sincerely,
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As the word suggests, joe, "a - theos": without God": and I don't see why that should necessarily preclude metaphysical or spiritual beliefs. Indeed, certain starnds of Buddhism, for example, are "atheistic": "God" is one more illusion finally to be dismissed before Nirvana.
So, one could believe in "other things" while being an atheist -i.e. denying any "supreme being".
Nevertheless, atheism as opposed to agnosticism is a strongly dogmatic posture: the atheist does not merely doubt God. He or she insist that there is NO God.
Personally, I find this a rather difficult position to maintain on logical grounds; but that's probably just me.

Originally posted by FreeMason
First things first I do believe in Reincarnation, while our lives are finite, our souls are infinite

How do you suppose new souls are created?

And atheism is not a religion. Or is this your way of a subtle slap toward those who are atheist?

Well my question to Athiests still stand, have you ever left your city? Neighborhood even?

I've never found an athiest yet that experienced and loved nature, they are all children in spirit, clinging to the support of mighty cities, and fearing no darkness, because where they live, the light always shines.

But I challenge every athiests, to come out to my house, and I'll take you into the desert, one moonless night...where darkness will envelope your body and you'll not see your feet, but all that you can see will be the mighty heavens above, that outshine any city in their timeless splendor.

The stars that man as a monkey grew up under, and now we, poised to explore our universe, they've still changed their positions very little.

So Athiests, I ask, what is it you've seen? Have you seen the mighty halo of the moon as I saw last night?

A rainbow in the dark, the moon's light upon a haze of ice that drowned out the stars till the sky was as grey as the grey on the moon, and the halo, a mighty ring of a dark and faint rainbow that extended over half the sky in a circle more perfect than any man could ever make.

The light of the moon so bright that you looked out the windows to see the morning....this is the world that you athiests miss, rather hiding in your mighty cities, in humanities false pride.

Sincerely,
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How do atoms, which are CHAOS, come together to create this universe and us without some kind of supreme being acting upon them?

Your stance would seem to imply atheists cannot be artists who portray nature.

Winston, new "souls" would be created, from that one existance "god" when a life is born that a current individual isn't there to "possess" and so that new life forms a new individuality, that through all time will forever remain its own individual.

How often THAT occurs, no one can know

Sincerely,
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Originally posted by FreeMason

I've never found an athiest yet that experienced and loved nature,

Raising hand.


Why do you feel atheists are unable to appreciate and embrace nature?

Because they don't, you live in a skyscraper in New York, and then think a small snow storm is "amazing".

Damn what I'd give for things to be turned back 10 years when Reno got 4 feet every year normally, and the pass recieved 10feet.

Oh I should also point out (this is an edit) that they aren't "Unable" to enjoy and embrace nature, simply that they HAVEN'T...any Athiest that does, would have their lives turned around...and they'd become at the least agnostic.

You can't say there is no god, when you stand before some of the things I've stood before, one being a tree almost as high as the highest building in Reno. (Which is 270 feet, this tree was about 200 and beside it layed one of equal size, which had fallen due to fire, that must have made an amazing sound).

Sincerely,
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[Edited on 18-2-2003 by FreeMason]

I live in NYC now.

I used to live on 18 acres in the hills south of Buffalo, NY where I was, for a time, an award winning painter of realistic landscapes (pastels).

I'm in NYC because that's where my work takes me... and I love the people here as well.

As the word suggests, joe, "a - theos": without God": and I don't see why that should necessarily preclude metaphysical or spiritual beliefs. Indeed, certain starnds of Buddhism, for example, are "atheistic": "God" is one more illusion finally to be dismissed before Nirvana.
So, one could believe in "other things" while being an atheist -i.e. denying any "supreme being".
Nevertheless, atheism as opposed to agnosticism is a strongly dogmatic posture: the atheist does not merely doubt God. He or she insist that there is NO God.
Personally, I find this a rather difficult position to maintain on logical grounds; but that's probably just me.

I've been to the east and it's pathetic and domesticated, come out here to Kings Canyon, and stand before cliffs that stand 8000 feet strait up, and tell me that.

Sincerely,
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