Massachusetts Senate pass bill 2028: Quarantine or $1000 a day fine for refusing the vaccine , page 3
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reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 07:44 AM by marg6043
reply to post by jibeho



Yes, but in California with so many immigrant you kind of understand how people allow what is happing.

But I thought Mass was more open minded and with better educated upper class citizens after all many in Mass claim to have lineage, links to the old world.



Still in my conspirators mind this smells like agenda and is not limited to only the H1N1, this Senator has been trying to get this type of legislation even before the H1N1 and it goes as far as the first signs of the bird flu.

So it does smells like agenda to me, I guess this what happen when people in their states have not clue what in the heck is going on when it comes to their own for the people elected crocks.

The last people that I will trust in this earth are Religious zealots and corrupted politicians.


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 07:58 AM by sickofitall2012
reply to post by FlyersFan



I totally agree. The America I grew up in is dead. I never thought I'd see the day. Who the h**l do these people think they are? I don't freakin care if they lock me up for the rest of my life, at least I'll be alive. I feel so sorry for those that get this vaccination. They have no idea what this can do to you.
Just have a look at this letter...
OPEN LETTER TO PEDIATRICIANS ON FLU VACCINES by THOMAS STONE, MD.
Let us examine then the CAUTION displayed by the CDC in the Great Swine Flu Vaccination Disaster. When swine flu, or what was thought to be swine flu, broke out in a small epidemic at Fort Dix, New Jersey, public-health officials panicked and jumped to a lot of unwarranted conclusions. This panic set in motion the greatest public-health fiasco in the history of the United States thus far.


But CDC officials were assuring everyone that the vaccine was PERFECTLY SAFE--"just like water"--in the words of Dr. Walter Dowdle.

After a thousand cases of paralysis had been reported, the CDC reluctantly admitted that they were caused by the vaccine. The program was suspended "temporarily--in the interest of good medicine"--and was never heard of again.

www.vaclib.org...
Just a taste.

[edit on 26-8-2009 by sickofitall2012]


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:07 AM by jtma508
People seem to love to jump on the hysteria bandwagon. How about we stop for a moment and think about this. Let's forget about the vaccine and whether or not it contains nanochips that program your DNA to turn you into a smurf or whatever it is for now and look at the larger picture.

The current strain of H1N1 is the first truly pandemic and POTENTIALLY dangerous outbreak we have seen in any of our lifetimes. It may turn out to be nothing. But it could very well turn deadly.

Let's imagine that there IS an H1N1 outbreak and the organism recombines into a truly deadly organism along the lines of the 1918 Spanish Flu. What do you, as legislator of your own private Idaho, do? Shall we just let people do whatever they want in order to protect their personal freedoms? Can we expect people to 'do the right thing' and quarantine themselves if they're sick? Or do we need to have some mechanism to protect public safety and control the spread of the disease?

This legislation does not force anyone to get the vaccine. It clearly states 'unable or unwilling'. But can we really allow a contagious person to go running about in the population? I understand the concerns but there is a practcal aspect to this that everyone is just overlooking.

How about a situation like Katrina? Should the government have the authority to force an evacuation ahead of time? Or should people be allowed to stay if they want and then require public safety people to come in and rescue them at great expense and personal risk?

I understand everyone's concerns. But I'll go on record right now and say that if things DO play out in the worst case scenario you'll be changing your tune. When you're standing in line at the grocery store trying to scrounge some food for your family and there are people coughing and sneezing all over the place and then you go home and infect your child... you'll think differently.


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:11 AM by Relentless.D
reply to post by bringthelight



Im from MA also maybe well see each other in the FEMA camp haha


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:11 AM by warrenb
reply to post by kozmo



IMHO, we are way beyond voting these people out of office.

This fall will be eventful.





reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:14 AM by marg6043
reply to post by jtma508



The danger of the worst scenario here is not the disease itself, after all is prof that is been around for a long time even before our time, the danger is the laws that can be passed hiding more sinister agendas.

I don't care about the vaccine, as I am not going to take it, plain and simple.

But what I care is the horde of private interest influence legislation.

Because the flu will come and go, legislation is here to stay.

If you can not see this part of the overall problem then I rest my case.


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:30 AM by jtma508
reply to post by marg6043



Taking all your comments into consideration, how does this particular piece of legislation benefit some 'private interest'? It simply says that **IF** a public health emergency occurs and you decide to not take an available vaccine, the authorities can require you to be isolated from the general population. I fail to see what is unreasonable about this.

'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.'



reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:36 AM by warrenb
reply to post by jtma508



Take this scenario

You refuse to get the vaccine when they stop at your house, work or school.
They take you away to be quarantined and when your neighbors ask where they are taking you, the army/police say "oh they are all sick and are being taken to quarantine for everyone's saftey", don't worry we are protecting you (your neighbor's). Your neighbor's praise the army/police for keeping them safe and that's the last anyone see's of you. Meanwhile you sit in a POW style camp and wish that you had had the sense to see this coming in order to have at least tried to stop it. Instead you languish in the camp for as long as TPTB decide to keep you there, possibly indefinitely. End of story.




reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:40 AM by jtma508
reply to post by marg6043



All flu vaccines are experimental. The reason is the rapidity of the organisms mutation from season-to-season. There simply isn't enough time to run a full course human trial before the disease hits. Based upon early partial trials, the medical community determines the risk that particular strain represents to the population, what particular segments of the population are at increased risk, and (based upon the results of the eary trials) weighs the risk of the disease against the risk of the vaccine to those particularly at-risk segments.

Every vaccine carries risks with it. That's why the drug companies largely got out of the vaccine business back in the 70s. It wasn't profitable enough to begin with (because of the huge up-front costs and extremely short lifespan of the product) and the potential liability lawsuits made the risk just not worth it.


reply posted on 26-8-2009 @ 08:40 AM by son of total newbie
Originally posted by Relentless.D
reply to
post by bringthelight



Im from MA also maybe well see each other in the FEMA camp haha


When you get to the camp, they will swab you for DNA. Your organs are valuable, and your corneas.

After a while people will be transferred to other facilities, in transit they will simply disappear.
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