Suicide in a town called Hope

And for the life of me I can't see the relevance in the Jedi inclusion

It ties into the archetype. It was simply looking at the replication of the myth.

You may need to read after Carl Jung. Controversial in a sense but proving to be valid now according to some recent studies.


And yes maybe I amplified the meme.

So what?

I do not look at this in any way but a experiment in future news headlines and stories.

This is the idea of a meme.

I am no expert I simply take a active interest in developing science.

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Well we need to find out how the fingers were cut.

Was it precise, surgical?

Or was it a hack job by an insane lover?

Method and madness go hand in hand.

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Let's re-cap

You start a thread

You have a theory

I posted and didn't buy into your theory

You basically told me the thread was going to run with your theory

I disagreed and believed a thread's a thread and open to whatever theories people wish to suggest

You continued with your theory and posted what you called an example of your theory, which I believed had little if anything to do with the case in question

You retaliated with what you feel to be your superior viewpoint and suggest I read Jung

And now I'm suggesting you have only recently become acquainted with Jung (and imagine you discovered him, by the sound of it) and that as a recent convert, you are attempting to impose Jungian archetypes whether or not they fit, based on two words, one of which exists, 'hope, and the other, 'death' which is not cast in stone at all and for which a number of other terms would be at least as appropriate

That about sum it up ?

I'm hoping we can return to the case in hand soon, also that those of us who read Jung a few decades ago and got over it, can continue to discuss the case from a variety of angles

Let's hug

Sad story.

On a side note, the last time I stopped at a diner in Hope, I ended up having the runs for a month.

I doubt that the guy was a full blown Narcissist. Between being sandwich with what he did and having some conscience, and realizing that he wasn't going to be able to clean it up enough for public consumption....well suicide would look real good to a person stuck there.

She's a model - not a nuclear weapon.

Lets not forget that it was an unknown female that had checked in with him paying in cash. As far as I know they are still trying to find her.

I seriously doubt this was any big conspiracy.

The guy had a history of violence against women. They were on their honeymoon in Mexico (i think) and while he was filming some other reality show, she was video taped at the pool with her ex boyfriend. I don't know about you but that screams motive to me.

Obviously the guy had issues and took matters into his own hands in a jealous rage (much like OJ did). His vanity and rage got the best of him. Knowing that he was going to prison, he ran back to Canada. Either got a friend, relative, prostitute to check him into the hotel (the car that was seen in Hope was a PT cruiser with Alberta plates) and then also knowing that his "famous, TV lifestyle" was over he decided to take the cowards way out rather than face justice.

end of story. IMO

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Agree. The usually detail-obsessed media has been strangely quiet on the methods of extraction (teeth) and amputation (fingers)

Most probably, the media is waiting to see if this will die down as is most probably hoped, before coming forth with further information

Of course, it does make a handy distraction, such a gory crime


What else is strange that to date, as far as I'm aware, the media has concentrated solely on the husband and has not (as it usually does) expanded on the victim's friends, enemies, recent problems, associates of the shady kind, etc.

Instead, the media played jury and judge and basically named the husband as the killer, based on the fact he'd supposedly 'run'

How many reasons can you think of .. in the space of say, two minutes .. to explain why the husband might have got as far away from the situation as he could ? I can think of a few, none of which would make him necessarily guilty of the murder

But it seems now that the media (jury and judge again) has closed the case. And the parents have accepted that .. according to the media

I think there are a lot of very scared people right now, even though the alleged 'killer' allegedly hanged himself

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Ok..BIG HUG!

lol

No.. I have followed these ideas for a few decades now and in fact studied them at a seminary. lol

I do not propose to be an expert but I am prepared to actively explore some ideas.

If they prove wrong then they are wrong. No big deal to me.

And of course I am not trying to say that the whole thing is not completely tragic it is.

But if you are well versed in Jung then I am open to an education upon the subject.

Also to add: He probably removed her teeth and fingers so it would take longer to identify her so it would give him more time to get away.

Originally posted by QBSneak000
Also to add: He probably removed her teeth and fingers so it would take longer to identify her so it would give him more time to get away.

Yes but it would be good to know the method of extraction and removal.

Also what, where and how the puncture marks were in the body...etc

Gruesome but very necessary knowledge. Not that we will ever know until everything resolves itself.

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Well, we'll get the opportunity to see if 'hope' and 'death' are played out again on the media stage. You could well be right, although it's probably true that this could be applied (with a bit of tweaking if needed) to any number of news items in any 24 hour period

Do you have a guesstimate as to why this might be so, and if so, who might orchestrate it ?

So many possible scenarios, eh ?

If we take it straight as reported, the guy kills her in fit of rage, has a brainwave and decides to remove identifying features: fingers, teeth. Plans to dump her in a river, a swamp, a handy dumpster. But is rudely interrupted before he can complete his master plan. Makes a run for it. Sees his face on the tv news. Realises game is up. Hangs self. Case closed.

Or .. his wife is in too deep. Ambitious. Keeps dangerous company. Takes the bait (services exchanged for shot at the big time). Makes mistake or sees, hears something she shouldn't. Gets eliminated .. by someone who believes removal of identifying features is a good idea

Or .. guy and his wife get in way too deep with people who play for keeps. They blab, or they try to up the ante and 'the goil gets it' and the guy knows he's next and runs for his life. Knows the police aren't all good guys like in the movies. Plans to get false passport and disappear. Not quick enough. The bad guys (in person or via one of their tame cops) hang him .. make it look like suicide of remorse

Or .. psycho likes mutilating women. He's influential, connected. Maybe he was high as a kite. Has a LOT to lose. The husband is the perfect patsy. Husband runs for his life. Is silenced. Again, portrayed as suicide of remorse. Case closed.

Or, could be simple murder. Removal of teeth and fingers was 'for effect' .. to grab headlines. Or as a warning to others. Husband is easily implicated via trial by media. Husband doesn't stand a chance. Is silenced. Case closed.


At the moment, I don't think we even know if the teeth and fingers were removed before or after death.

It has the same strangeness as the death of Anna Nicole Smith's son.

Or the death of the Bee Gee, which I've always felt was legitimate conspiracy material, yet remained (as far as I'm aware) unexplored

Anyway, catch up with you tomorrow .. it's dawn here

Well, we'll get the opportunity to see if 'hope' and 'death' are played out again on the media stage. You could well be right, although it's probably true that this could be applied (with a bit of tweaking if needed) to any number of news items in any 24 hour period

Yes it is a very general meme. But it plays into the Obama platform of change and hope.

lol


Questions...

Would a coat rack hold the dead weight of a jerky six foot male body as it went into convulsions? (death convulsions)

In an interview with TMZ, Kevin Walker, the manager of the Thunderbird Motel in Hope B.C., where the body of suspected killer Ryan Jenkins was found hanging from a coat rack Sunday, told of his shocking discovery.

www.vancouversun.com...

He used a belt.

Ever try to hang yourself with a belt??? lol

The gentleman next door said, when they came into the room, she was here for about twenty minutes and she was gone. And she never came bac

If you find that your traveling companion has just somehow hung himself on a coat rack with a belt do you not get help.

Or did she leave before the death?

The manager went on to tell reporters that the woman was "extremely calm" when she checked in, that there was no suicide note that he saw, and that Jenkins' feet were touching the ground as he hung, which would indicate a sedative of some sort may have been used during the suicide. The woman was driving a PT Cruiser with Alberta license plates.

Sedative used during suicide?

Feet on the ground in the coat rack?

Wow this like a bad mystery novel.

Also the search for the car...

California police are focusing on the search for Jasmine Fiore's car and examining Ryan Jenkins's cell phone records in the final stage of their investigation into the murder of the California model.

Buena Park police have issued a search warrant for Ryan Jenkins's cell phone records and are actively searching for the white Mercedes that belonged to Jasmine Fiore to help determine who may have helped with the disposal of the Fiore's mutilated body.

The body was found stuffed in a suitcase in a Buena Park, Calif. dumpster on Saturday, Aug. 15.

Seems that they suspect others involved in the case.

Question is how often does one lose track of a Mercedes?

Maybe it is at a auto wreckers.www.vancouversun.com...
RCMP SAY"The evidence in the hotel room [at L'auberge del Mar, where Jenkins was last seen with Fiore] doesn't match to the nature of the crime." RCMP is conducting an investigation around Jenkins's suicide.

We are not the only ones scratching our heads?






[edit on 24-8-2009 by whiteraven]

This is a little old but the meme of death and hope arise in the article.

Again I know this is a reach but bear with me. lol

So why did American liberals believe Obama would bring home the healthcare bacon? Because they live in an ideological cupcake land. It's a big neighborhood, a very special place where "Your vote is important," and "by electing the right candidate, you can change our beloved nation." Most of America lives in that neighborhood, even though they've never personally met. It's a place where the shrubbery and flowerbeds of such things as "values" and "hope" bloom. Hope that our desires coupled with the efforts of a good and decent president can affect "change." Evidently these voters never heard the old adage, "Hope in one hand and piss in the other, and see which one fills up first."

The slaughter of the innocents by the healthcare lobby has pretty much extinguished the political usefulness of the word hope. Nobody, especially Obama, uses it now.

The first on-stage scuffle of the Obama administration, government assured healthcare, quickly settled down into the accustomed scenario of very rich and powerful people in expensive suits "finding middle ground," otherwise known as the status quo. Single payer healthcare soon became "a consumer government alternative to private insurance," and is now "a system of health cooperatives. Next comes "slightly better health insurance (but not medical services) than before, from the same insurance companies but at twice the price; don't worry though, we're increasing your tax load so you can afford it."

The televised screaming matches, having served their purpose, are over now. The presidency and the nation have settled back into the normalcy of the officially sanctioned state consciousness and its curious non-language, one modified and shaped daily by corporate and government symbiosis. Over generations we've come to internalize this imagistic language, which is quite theatrical when heated up for public consumption and dully bureaucratic when attention is to be avoided. But always it is void of content and any sort of truth. In the corporately managed theater state, it's not whether a thing is true that matters, but how it sounds and looks and what you call it. Call end of life counseling a "death panel," and you've just turned mercy and choice into one more Great Satan.

www.joebageant.com...

I believe this would be "classified " as a right wing thing but that is not my interest.

Flame away fair ATS naysayers.

I have been thru Hope several times thirty years ago, it was not big enough to hide out in. If you have ever seen Rambo: First Blood then you have seen Hope, B.C. that is where it was filmed. The plot has Rambo getting arrested for vagrancy as he was passing through town. He is beaten and abused, and he was innocent. Traveler's are not hanging out around town, not a lot to do. Hope is a long way from anywhere, really big mountains and the Frazer river. As i recall Hell's Gate, named after the rapids located not too far from there, just adds a little spice to the choice. WR, a flag for you.

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I am happy to reacquaint ourselves, but unhappy that it takes place with such a horrid scene.

Do you see the D"Jinn?

Not that I fully understand your pursuit of such a frightening thing but it seems that in certain cultures the D'Jinn are never to be spoken about!

I have under taken some research since we last spoke of the D'Jinn asking various Islamic traditions what they thought of the word.

What is wild is one very moderate Muslim had a very upsetting reaction to the word.

Very odd.

Although it must be thought of in much the same way that an evil spirit is thought of in Western Culture.

Rambo: First Blood was filmed in Hope.

2nd line.

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Yes i still have them in my life. I have been following your posts, your name is one of those that jumps out at me. As for the case, i think the guy ran until the realization sunk in that all hope for a secure life was over.

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You may be correct and we are all but guessing as the authorities do understand more of the details concerning this case then anyone at this present moment understands the details.

Sure enough I have been following yours as well.

Although not in so much of a diligent fashion.

They have found the girl who booked the room with him and it seems they knew each other.

The Mercedes is still missing I believe although I should check that right now.

What do you make of the case; considering your background in this type of thing?










[edit on 26-8-2009 by whiteraven]

Fiore was allegedly murdered and then mutilated by her former husband, Ryan Jenkins, who had married the model just two days after meeting her in a Las Vegas casino. Their marriage was subsequently annulled.

www.vancouversun.com...

Whirlwind!

A telephone tip from a concerned citizen has led Los Angeles police to what appears to be the location of Jasmine Fiore's missing white Mercedes CL S550, widely considered to be the final piece of the puzzle in a heavily publicized killingn.

If you are too stupid to find it here is your first clue...click.www.vancouversun.com...

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Great example of looking to far into something.

I live approximately one hour from hope. Kind of irrelevant, but whatever.

This guy killed his girlfriend for whatever reason. He went to great lengths to cover up her identity, which as mentioned included removing her fingers and teeth.

Unfortunately, he didn't think of the serial numbers on his breast implants. So sure enough, the girls image makes it to the News. He knows that he is absolutely toast, he knows that it is only a matter of time before he is caught and becomes public enemy numero uno. The humiliation, guilt etc would be monumental.

Hope is a small town, somewhere you go when you don't want to be noticed (opposite of a city)...

There's no conspiracy with the place he chose to do this. Plain and simple. Spend your time looking into other more mysterious incidences.