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Suicide in a town called Hope

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posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:09 PM

The death of fugitive reality-TV contestant Ryan Jenkins, who was accused in the brutal killing of his wife Jasmine Fiore, has brought some closure, her mother said Monday in Hawaii.

"We don't have to worry about looking for him anymore or being worried that he is a threat to any other women or men," Lisa Lepore told NBC's Today show from Maui. "We still have a long process of closure."

Jenkins, a 32-year-old real estate developer and investor from Calgary apparently hanged himself in a Hope, B.C., motel on Sunday.

Hanged himself in Hope, BC. Odd?!

This is just a theory.

And hopefully, pardon the pun, I can explain the idea in a somewhat clear concise manner, although I would not classify ONE of my interpretations of this story as anything but fanciful it still resonates some interest.

So here it goes.

In the above story so far as the background is concerned we have a upwardly mobile Canadian skirt chaser who falls tragically in love with this playboy Bunny and marries her.

The marriage is annulled which is Latin for it never existed but of course our upwardly mobile Canadian friend does not speak Latin and so he still has a fatal attraction to the blond playboy model.

The bunny is killed, complete with extracted teeth and no fingers. Gruesome work for a guy who sells real estate.

The guy then appears in Hope, BC. Strung up and hung.

So my theory is that this might be a meme.

A meme (pronounced /ˈmiːm/, rhyming with "cream"[1]) is a postulated unit or element of cultural ideas, symbols or practices, and is transmitted from one mind to another through speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena. (The etymology of the term relates to the Greek word mimema for "something imitated".)[2] Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes, in that they self-replicate and respond to selective pressures.[3] Memeticists have not empirically proven the existence of discrete memes or their proposed mechanism, and memes (as distinct from ideas or cultural phenomena) do not form part of the consensus of mainstream social sciences.

The word was first introduced by British scientist Richard Dawkins in The Selfish Gene (1976) to discuss evolutionary principles in explaining the spread of ideas and cultural phenomena. He gave as examples melodies, catch-phrases, and beliefs (notably religious beliefs), clothing/fashion, and the technology of building arches.[4]

The meme is Death and Hope.

Or The Death of Hope.

But we do not fully understand the death...was it suicide or was it "suicide"? Does not matter in the end but the other MEME is the meme of a mysterious/controversial death that goes over borders.

Secondly this meme ties into the American Dream and it is fitting as we have a upwardly mobile white immigrant real estate developer chasing a Playboy Bunny in Los Vegas.

Can it get any better then that.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:14 PM
Hope just happens to be a real good place to hide when on your way to hiding in the Mountains. It rests on the intersection to going through to multiple possible routes from major to mountain dirt road.

People from Calgary through to Vancouver would know this. People from Vancouver to Victoria would tend to try and lose themselves on the Islands.

The name is just ironic.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:21 PM
reply to post by Aeons

Yes of course.

That is the rational explanation.

I am approaching the news story, and the fact that it grabbed the attention of both Canada and the United States of America public on a Jungian level rather then a "rational" level.

But of course you are 100 percent correct when it comes to that approach.

Analytical psychology (or Jungian psychology) is the school of psychology originating from the ideas of Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung, and then advanced by his students and other thinkers who followed in his tradition. It is distinct from Freudian psychoanalysis but also has a number of similarities. Its aim is the apprehension and integration of the deep forces and motivations underlying human behavior by the practice of an accumulative phenomenology around the significance of dreams, folklore and mythology. Depth psychology and archetypal psychology are related in that they both employ the model of the unconscious mind as the source of healing and development in the individual.

Collective unconscious

Jung's concept of the collective unconscious has often been misunderstood. In order to understand this concept, it is essential to understand Jungian archetypes.

The archetypes of the collective unconscious could be thought of as the DNA of the human psyche.[citation needed] Just as all humans share a common physical heritage and predisposition towards specific gross physical forms (like having two legs, a heart, etc.), so do all humans have innate psychological predispositions in the form of archetypes, which compose the collective unconscious.

In contrast to the objective material world, the subjective realm of archetypes cannot be fully plumbed through quantitative modes of research. Instead it can be revealed more fully through an examination of the symbolic communications of the human psyche — in art, dreams, religion, myth, and the themes of human relational/behavioural patterns. Devoting his life to the task of exploring and understanding the collective unconscious, Jung theorized that certain symbolic themes exist across all cultures, all epochs, and in every individual.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:31 PM
It grabbed attention because they bombed us with it.

Plus, it should be obvious that the agencies involved were using the media as a way of cornering the guy quickly. They appealled to his need to clear up his image for public consumption by painting him out worse so that he and his family and friends would feel the need to clarify to protect his ego-image.

They apparently over played their hand.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:39 PM
reply to post by Aeons

It grabbed attention because they bombed us with it.

Yes they did. But why did they?

Because of political pressure?

Because of ratings?

Or a mixture of both?

First the story stinks of rating.

Ratings are based upon public interest in story. Each story has flags that line it up with polls conducted by Gallup. Read Markus Buckingham who worked for Gallup.

Met the guy. Snobby British ass...but very observant, intelligent.

But the point is certain "ideas" grab at the interest of the public.

These things are known as archtypes which are the complete makeup of certain memes.

Mother and Child is an arctype. This is why whenever a tragic event occurs involving a "mother and a chiild" it strikes a psychic unconcious nerve shared by all humans.

This story hits plenty of those nerves. The American Dream and Las Vegas, the Playboy Bunny, the capitalist immigrant who took part in a reality TV show, the suitcase and the gruesome deaths.

These all are to speak.

Anyhow secondly if this case did not get solved quickly the "public interest" could get a little intense so it needed to wrapped up.

I really do not care how it was wrapped up but the way it lines up with certain archetypes is in and of itself startling.

lol...if you missed the last edit concerning the sentence placement of Buckingham you missed a classic lol

[edit on 24-8-2009 by whiteraven]

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:55 PM
I just told you why.

They thought that it would work to bring the guy in, because it played to his overwhelming image based ego.

This shouldn't be hard to see. Even the woman was a prop. Did you see the pictures of her unairbrushed. Eek.

The media was used to corner the guy through his own psychology. The media was amenable because saying that some guy tortured his playboy girlfriend to death sells.

That's about it.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 12:57 PM
If there is any sort of "meme", it has to do with sex and violence, and probably how realizing a dream doesn't lead to happiness. I suppose it didn't hurt that the guy had been (or was going to be) on TV, but that wasn't the main thing.

1. Guy gets "swimsuit model", a male fantasy, but winds up a) killing her; and b) killing himself, thus proving that realizing a dream wont make you happy.

2. Sexy woman winds up murdered and mutilated, thus showing that being gorgeous and having guys want you doesn't make you happy, either.

"Sex and violence", and "dream-come-true nightmare". Those are the memes, IMNSHO.

And that's why the media forced it down our throats. You don't hear much about men getting chopped up and stuffed into suitcases; nor of homely women having that happen. You don't hear the story of most of the guys who wind up hanging themselves, because they don't involve sexy models or "dreams come true".

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:00 PM
reply to post by Aeons

I agree to a degree yet if the case(story) did not have legs it simply would not have caught on as it has.

Again I am not looking at it from your "rational" point of view but from a Jungian point of view which interprets ideas in the form of myth and art.


And I do not take this idea as gospel.

Hence it is in skunky works!!

Still the meme of Death and Hope may play out again soon.

Lets see!

[edit on 24-8-2009 by whiteraven]

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:02 PM
The story stinks

of a set up

Missing teeth ? Amputated fingers ?

He ran for his life because he knew he was next, imo

He knew if the mutilators didn't get him, the law would

And they did

and hanged him

and the media and her parents say, 'Good. We have closure'

Black Dahlia ?

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:08 PM


Life-forms can transmit information vertically (from generation to generation) via replication of genes or horizontally through viruses and transposons. Memes can replicate vertically or horizontally within a single biological generation. They may also lie dormant for long periods of time. Memes spread by the behaviors that they generate in their hosts. Imitation counts as an important characteristic in the propagation of memes. Imitation often involves the copying of an observed behaviour of another individual, but memes may transmit from one individual to another through a copy recorded in an inanimate source, such as a book or a musical score. Researchers have observed memetic copying in just a few species on Earth, including hominids, dolphins and birds (which learn how to sing by imitating their parents or neighbors).[9]

Some commentators have likened the transmission of memes to the spread of contagions.[10] Social contagions such as fads, hysterias and copycat suicides exemplify memes seen as the contagious imitation of ideas. Observers distinguish the contagious imitation of memes from instinctively contagious phenomenon such as yawning and laughing, which they consider innate (rather than socially learned) behaviors.[9]

Aaron Lynch described seven general patterns of meme transmission, or "thought contagion":[11]

Again I do not really care if he was "suicided" or committed suicide.

It is the meme behind the death that I am looking at.

But yes it is a very strange set of deaths.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:15 PM
reply to post by chiron613

Sex and violence", and "dream-come-true nightmare". Those are the memes, IMNSHO.

I agree.

The story is full of memes.

The story is tragic and falls into the archtype of fatal love.

Romeo and Juliet would be a close meme.

Anthony and Cleopatra another.

In Native American myth it would be the myth of the Quaeplle Valley.

"The Legend of Qu'appelle Valley" is a poem written by E. Pauline Johnson that tells the tale of a young Indian who, upon returning from a hunting trip, hears a voice. He replies: "Qu'appelle", or "who calls", but receives no answer, save his echo. When he does return, he discovers that the young women he was to marry died suddenly and with her dying breath cried out his name. And thus, the Qu'appelle Valley received its name. Although fictional, this story is based upon the unusual phenomenon reported by Metis trader Daniel Harmon, in which the Indigenous people of the area, whenever they heard (or thought they heard) a voice would reply: "Kâ-têpwêt?", "who calls?", or "qui appelle?", "Who Calls" in Cree, English, and French.

The bottom line the story strongly hits the markers of an Archetype in my tradition.

So I am now interested in the meme of the story.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by whiteraven]

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:26 PM
reply to post by whiteraven

But throughout, you're presupposing that the guy killed her

And you reinforced this several times in your last post

and seem unprepared to accept any response that does not conform with your presupposition


For example, I do not accept that the husband was the perpetrator

And I'm highly suspicious about the circumstances of his death

just as I was highly suspicious when the media went into overdrive and stated he was the killer and 'on the run'.

Repeat something often enough ...

The story stinks to high heaven and it's going to get stinkier as conspiracy sites start picking it apart

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:28 PM

The Death of Hope
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The Death of Hope
Author Jude Watson
Cover Artist Cliff Nielsen
Country U.S.
Language English
Era Prequel
Series Jedi Apprentice
Galactic Year 40 BBY
Canon C
Subject(s) Star Wars
Genre(s) Science Fiction
Publisher Scholastic
Released 1 October 2001
Media Type Paperback
Pages 152
Size and Weight 7.6 x 5.3 x 0.5 inches
4.0 ounces
ISBN ISBN 0-439-13934-1
Preceded by The Ties That Bind
Followed by The Call to Vengeance

The Death of Hope by Jude Watson is the fifteenth in a series of young reader novels called Jedi Apprentice. The series explores the adventures of Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi prior to Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace.

[edit] Plot

Everything is a confusion in the New Apsolon mission. The Jedi Knight Tahl, partner of Qui-Gon Jinn, has been trapped. The Jedi Master soon forgets his apprentice Obi-Wan Kenobi and goes after his beloved Tahl. No one can be trusted and Tahl is dying.

When Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon discover Tahl, she is severely maimed. After returning to the capital, Tahl perishes, which sends Qui-Gon over the edge. Qui-Gon now begins his call to vengeance, which is targeted at the leader of the rogue faction that caused the entire catastrophe.

The above is a modern day display of the archtype of "death and hope".

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:32 PM
reply to post by St Vaast

Yes I am approaching it from that angle.

Not that I agree with my angle. I more or less agree with yours.

I simply approached it as it was written so as to approach the story as myth.

I hope you see the logic.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:33 PM
reply to post by St Vaast

Oh for god's sakes.

You'd removed teeth and fingers to obscure identity.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:35 PM
reply to post by Aeons

Pretty gruesome task for a sissy reality TV star don't yea think or am I underestimating this guy?

Also...stealthy move up to Canada after calling the police concerning your missing wife??

YEP it is stinnnky.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:36 PM
The only meme here is jealous guys with narcisstic traits might pick women they don't actually like so that they can look good to other men.

That in our culture, men between 18 and 35 still are an excellent source of marketing, and playing to their porn training in blonde bimbos works to reel them in.

If this is news to you about yourselves, you need to invest in some time in self-reflection.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:36 PM
Seems you're trapped in a tunnel-version of the words death and hope, don't you feel ?

How about we change it to 'female mutilation' and 'Hope' ?

What archetype is that, now ?

Or maybe 'gangland contract killing' and 'Hope' ?

Or 'torture' and 'Hope' ?

Or, misogyny and hope ?

Or crack-head psycho and hope ?

WAY too literal, this fixation you appear to have with the words 'death and hope', for my liking, anyway

You obviously believe it's a simple case of death and hope

but others, myself for example, may regard this case in an entirely different light

I see it as something akin to the Phil Spector crime

with the addition of a patsy to take the fall

And for the life of me I can't see the relevance in the Jedi inclusion

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:39 PM

Originally posted by whiteraven
reply to post by Aeons

Pretty gruesome task for a sissy reality TV star don't yea think or am I underestimating this guy?

Also...stealthy move up to Canada after calling the police concerning your missing wife??

YEP it is stinnnky.

He's a fair size man with a serious like for himself. She was hurting his pride. He got mad. He strangled her. When he realized that he'd actually killed her, he's overwhelming slavery to his own image was more important than being prissy.

Protecting the vainity demon was more important than not getting dirty.

posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 01:44 PM
reply to post by Aeons

I just starred your most recent post .. it was good

But don't know why you're 'for Pete's saking' me about the fingers and teeth ?

Did I dispute their removal or something ? What did I say to set you off ?

However, if it's obvious to you and I and a million others that traditionally, victim's teeth and fingers were removed to obscure identity .. then perhaps they were removed in order to make it appear the husband was the idiot who removed them and in order to make the crime so revolting that it would be SURE to grab the public's attention ... and to ensure that NO-one would feel the slightest bit of sympathy for him, regardless of what happened to him

and sure enough, there seems to be only gratified sounds coming out of the victim's parents mouths

and the media is implying 'that's all folks, nothing more to see .. the guy hanged himself .. justice has been done '.

Wrapped up so quickly, huh ?

The guy's mouth was very speedily silenced

Nice, convenient suicide

Lid's on tight now

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