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Is the Obamacare debacle a deflection?

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posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 02:43 PM
The people who oppose Obamacare are being made to look like complete buffoons in the MSM. An I have to mostly agree that they are.


After watching the Betsy McCaughey interview with Jon Stewart, I started thinking.. "This lady is even more crazy than O RLY Taitz and has less of a case."

That got me thinking about the Birther movement, and how angry those folks seemed to be. But even though BHO still hasn't produced a cretificate, now all the focus is on the Obamacare fiasco.

So here's what I'm seeing.

1. Questionable eligibility of POTUS.

2. Due to 1, Birther movement gains momentum.

3. Out of nowhere, media whore O RLY (disinfo agent) Parades on TV, gaining nickname, "Birther queen", then out of nowhere, she pulls out fake Kenya BC.

4. Due to 3, Birthers movement is discredited in the public's eyes.

5. Agents provocateur begin protesting Obamacare and disrupting town halls, to the point of bringing firearms(mind you these events are not 2nd amendment-oriented)

6. Due to 5, public is misdirected from caring about the BC which BHO has still failed to provide.

I'm not of any opinion as to BHO's eligibility, but this whole scene reeks of disinfo/misdirection.

posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 02:56 PM

I'm not of any opinion as to BHO's eligibility, but this whole scene reeks of disinfo/misdirection.

You forgot to mention the rapid fire presentation of several -- thousand page bills. The food Safety bills (several) Obama care (several) cap and trade....

There is too much there to READ much less have time to dissect and protest. I feel like I have whiplash trying to stay abreast of everything being rammed through Congress.

posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 03:03 PM
reply to post by nasdack24k

The Obama health care reform is not the danger here, the danger is the "CRAP and Trade" bill that will be passed under the table while people are fighting and protesting the health care one.

The CRAP and trade is the one that is going to tax us to hell and back.

Be aware people, is more for the private interest to win with the Cap and trade that from anything else, is just a way to keep raping the tax payer in the nation.

posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 03:09 PM
Yes I feel it is,but its intention was to deflect our attention from the cause of the economic crash and to take the steam out of hr1207 audit the fed bill. It has worked I'm afraid.

Make no mistake about it the healthcare bill is also basically socialized medicine and fits in nicely with the slow creeping encroachment of the nwo wishes and this fight isnt over either.

Its order out of caos and an overwhelming of the peoples time and energy untill we give up but quiting isnt an option. We have just begun to fight.

The sleeping giant has awakened,we are a tiny wave way out at sea yet but when we reach shore we will become a mighty overwhelming tidal wave.

Man will be what he was born to be free and independent. JFK

The wheel of justice grinds slow but it grinds exceedingly fine,glad I've lived my life as an honest man and I will stand on the side of the people.

The wrath of the people will be overwhelming in time. Puppets,globalists be warned, your fate approaches you,may God have mercy on your souls for we, the freemen, will not.

posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 03:16 PM
Well, we now have to carry this to it's logical conclusion following your line of reasoning.

While the media is totally occupied with these issues, the zombie alien infiltration of the Department of Homeland Security is completed whereby the US defences are rendered impotent to the hoards of reptilian shape shifting nazi socialist masonic illuminati troops who have been disguised as Canadian hockey players and Mexican farm workers.

Really. Claiming one half baked imaginary plot as a cover for another half baked imaginary plot is really a waste of your wonderful god given powers of reasoning.

posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 08:05 AM
reply to post by metamagic

Really. Claiming one half baked imaginary plot as a cover for another half baked imaginary plot is really a waste of your wonderful god given powers of reasoning.

There are ultra wealthy people. They all know each other. They want Power, Control and Money. We are talking GREED here. I can trace the timeline of the "food safety bills" back decades.

Monsanto and Cargill were very much a part of Clinton's administration and helped push Congress into ratifying the WTO Agreement on Agriculture. Dan Amsteuz (VP Cargill) wrote it, Mike Kantor (monsanto) was USA trade rep to WTO and Robert Shapiro (CEO Monsanto) was Clinton's foreign trade advisor.

This is the timeline just for seed and does not include livestock, a much bigger file. My livestock file also includes the turnover of "food safety inspection" to Corporations in 1996 (international HACCP regs) the resulting increase in food borne illness and the USDA cover-up..

SEED Monopoly Timeline:

1961 PVP is the Plant Variety Protection: The International Union for the Protection of New Varieties of Plants: Gave seed companies a monopoly on only the commercial multiplication and the marketing of seeds. Farmers remained free to save seed from their own harvest to plant in the following year, and other breeders could freely use any variety, protected or not, to develop a new one.

1980 the Supreme Court decision in Diamond v. Chakrabarthy, 447 U.S. 303 enabled living organisms to be patented

1991 PVP monopoly is applied to seed multiplication and also to the harvest and sometimes the final product as well. Previously unlimited right of farmers to save seed for the following year's planting has been changed into an optional exception. Only if national government allows, can farm-saved seed still be used, and a royalty has to be paid to the seed company even for seeds grown on-farm.

1995 WTO ratified: Trade Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) introduction of intellectual property rules on plants, animals and seeds under WTO’s Agreement “could damage the livelihoods of these 1.4 billion farmers worldwide and undermine food sovereignty and food security ” Joint Communication from the African Group to the Council for Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (2003)

May, 2003, the European Patent Office in Munich granted a patent to Monsanto with the number EP 445929, with the simple title "plants", even though plants are not patentable in European Law.

2005 To-date, Monsanto has filed 90 lawsuits against American farmers;

June 2006 Global Diversity Treaty: Standard Material Transfer Agreement (SMTA) a standardized contract that will enable much easier access to crop diversity. [ germplasm for patenting] royalty payment (1.1% of sales) is paid only if product is unavailable for further breeding and research. funds will be devoted to conservation efforts. Translation: Bio-techs Corporations steal seed from third world farmers, patents it and pay money to Bioversity International

December 2006 “In the EU, there is now a list of 'official' vegetable varieties. Seed that is not on the list cannot be 'sold' to the 'public' To keep something on the list costs thousands of pounds each year...Hundreds of thousands of old heirloom varieties (the results of about eleven thousand years of plant breeding by our ancestors) are being lost forever . & &"

Feb 2007 GRAIN press release USA: Seed companies want to ban farm-saved seeds
A new report from GRAIN reveals the new lobbying offensive from the global seed industry to make it a crime for farmers to save seeds for the next year's planting. See History at

FAO is supporting harmonization of seed rules and regulations in Africa and Central Asia in order to stimulate the development of a vibrant seed industry...An effective seed regulation harmonization process involves dialogue amongst all relevant stakeholders from both private and public sectors. Seed quality assurance, variety release, plant variety protection, biosafety, plant quarantine and phytosanitary issues are among the major technical areas of a regional harmonized seed system. The key to a successful seed regulation harmonization is a strong political will of the governments involved

posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 11:38 AM
reply to post by metamagic

Go watch a magic show sometime. You may learn a valuable lesson.
What you see is not always what is happening behind the scenes.
No, the rabbit didn't just appear in the hat, and no, it hasn't been there all along.

See, there's this one fundamental flaw in the human psyche. We are able to be misdirected.

Say it with me now.. "miiiiss - die - reck - shuuun."

Oh why do I bother. Nevermind.
Yes, he made the rabbit appear from thin air, if that's easier to believe.

posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 11:40 AM
reply to post by crimvelvet

Rock on.
Awesome contribution, way to point out a few "coincidences"

and starred.

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