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Originally posted by acornco
your right!!! im gonna start voting democratic just as soon as they do away with this silly "political system", elect obama as emperor and when i start voting. which is never.
but seriously... change!... i mean think about it. change...
what a slogan! away with the old... stuff! and in with the new... the new... era... replacements... for... for the old defunct stuff!!!
wow i feel political too! all warm... and toasty... and sticky! say, this political stuff is pretty great! mmmmm... change.
Originally posted by fraterormus
Here's the deal...America is in a time of crisis.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Thats just a wonderful wonderful link to the constitution there. If would be much appreciated as to where liberals such as myself and Obama oppose the US constitution. I can list a dozen during the Bush administration. I can list a dozen in texas alone, including this religious stunt in public schools this month.
Maybe we can take the US constitution out and discuss it? You first!
Originally posted by Rockpuck
ZOMG I am SO silly.. I completely mis-understood Democracy.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
I thought Democracy meant that you have the option to vote for who you support. If your man doesn't win, tough luck, try again next time.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
I had NO IDEA that it meant: Your man lost, conform to the winner!
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Now that I know I am supposed to cast aside all my political beliefs and conform to the "Left" way of thinking and support a political ideology I don't identify with! We dissenters and separatist.. ruining Democracy!!!
Look, I could care less who's sitting behind the big desk in the Oval Office.. to assume people should conform to ANYONE'S political ideology because THEY won is so damn unamerican it aint even funny. I don't even see what kind of reaction you are trying to arise from people with such an audacious, ignorant thread? Because clearly that's what you're looking for, a reaction? Right?
Originally posted by Rockpuck
**I didn't vote for Obama**
**I didn't vote for McCain**
**I did vote for someone**
Originally posted by Rockpuck
And one more thing. Yes, I know I have taken over the page but it has to be asked:
Why does opposing Obama, opposing the Government, supporting the Constitution and disagreeing with specific bills make you a "Right Wing Nut" or a Republican? What about the Democrats that disapprove of the Bill?
More sarcasm from yet another Drama Queen. Thanks for contributing to the problem rather than helping.
Yes, in our particular model of a Democratic Republic it is unfortunately a "Winner Take All" System. The Popular Vote is oftentimes a wasted Vote as a simple Majority claims the Electoral Vote. In this system a large majority of Votes may play no part in determining the outcome of an Election.
When you further have a Supermajority in both the House and Senate, there is no way to block or filibuster a vote, and impossible to stop Constitutional Amendments on the Federal level (although in that later case they then have to be ratified by Supermajority in all 50 States).
In such a situation, a minority party, has no hope of accomplishing anything Partisan. At this point they can either just not show up to Congress ever and take a 2 year vacation at their constituents expense, or they can tow their Partisan line and be akin to a Lame Duck as the Supermajority of elected officials are less inclined to cooperate with them, or they can choose to overlook Partisan lines and work with the Supermajority.
It does mean that you have no bargaining power though. Until you are dealt a better hand in the next election, you have to either fold or work with those around you. You can still provide input, but you can't stand your ground and remain entrenched. You have to work diplomatically, and give, bend and compromise.
I am looking for a modicum of decorum from the Minority.
Attempting to sabotage and subvert isn't American. That is Terrorism.
Attempting to incite Armed Revolt, Civil War, and Dissent isn't American, it is Treason and punishable by death. Fortunately we don't have Thomas Jefferson in the Oval Office, otherwise those in the Minority doing this kind of thing would be shot on the White House lawn.
AGAIN, for the third time in this Thread, no one is asking the Republicans and Conservatives to conform.
Disagreeing with specific Bills is fine and dandy. In a Democratic Republic no one can be happy all of the time. Matter of fact most won't be happy most of the time. The best you can ever shoot for is something that is mediocre and "Meh" most of the time, or something that will make some of the people happy some of the time. It's not the ideal political model, but it's what we have.
However in the meantime, you must respect the Office of the President, even if you don't respect the man sitting in it. I despised Bush, but I didn't try to overthrow him or start a Revolution because I couldn't stand the man.
Supporting the Constitution is good. You are supposed to do that. All of your fellow Americans are supposed to be doing that. That is fine and dandy too.
Originally posted by jd140
You may have respected Bush as President, but how many of your democrate brothers and sisters did the same.
When there was a Crisis in America, all but four (count em, four!) of the Democrats ignored Party Lines and worked with Bush together as Americans.