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Originally posted by Sundancer
Star and flag for you.
I think both parties are trash meant to keep us divided so that we don't notice how they are really screwing us. I wouldn't and didn't vote for either.
I did notice though that the Dems may have disagreed with Bush and verbally bashed him, they didn't try to start their own country within the country. It is pretty childish.
Wouldn't it be better if they could admit their party sucked and that's why they were voted out and that people really do want change. And why can't the Dems admit they haven't really changed anything - They're still giving the corps the Bush bailouts and putting the screws to the voters.
Both parties suck!!!
Originally posted by grover
reply to post by Rockpuck
Working together means you support the country.
Called the Patients' Choice Act, it would eliminate the tax break that employers receive for providing health-insurance benefits to their workers. Instead, it would give an annual tax credit of $2,300 to each individual and $5,700 to each family that they could use to offset the cost of their health insurance. Low-income families would get extra money to buy into private insurance plans.
But some people on the right confuse healthy dissent with just saying no and that doesn't work. It didn't work with the war on drugs (cause oddly enough, drugs, being inanimate objects, have no ears, and therefore can't listen to you telling them no.) and it doesn't work with complex social problems such as health care reform.
I can understand the conservative viewpoint where you don't want to pay for Joe Shmo's health care coverage. Why should you? Even though that if Joe Shmo is healthy he can be a productive member of this society and therefore contribute to the gross domestic product, you know, earning a paycheck, and hopefully therefore spending part of that paycheck at your business. Thereby stimulating the economy in a more self sustaining and economically conservative fashion where the government isn't having to bail out Joe Shmo and his piss poor family.
Just saying no does not work. Instead the right needs to come up with a better plan. A plan that will allow every American to afford their own health care coverage and not burden you with the expense.
I also have to reject the notion that our leaders are somehow Nazi fascists. The idea propagated by those at FOX news is appalling especially when the same acts done by liberals were denounced as loony just a few years ago.
The right has some good core values. It's time that they took those core values and stepped up to the plate with them and came up with a plan that the majority of Americans can get behind and agree with. Instead of just being the party of NO and the party that sees themselves as victims of a tyrannical regime hell bent on destroying the country they used to know.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
I had NO IDEA that it meant: Your man lost, conform to the winner!
Yes the money is already being allocated.
This way, insurance companies would reap the benefits of being competitive, this would also allow people who wish and can afford to buy more insurance for themselves.
The problem that I have with state run plans is that states right now are under water fiscally.
In fact with just a little persuasion on the part of the insurance companies people could pay 500 per year for basic health insurance.
And remember this is basic health insurance. Not comprehensive. This would benefit those of us best that don't have insurance but would need some sort of care at some point.
A year? The "hypothetical" costs of personal health care in the US is around $7,000 .. the average family insurance plan is $500-600/month .. a MONTH .. not a year.
Not to mention the cost to income ratio still needs to be accounted for.. Insurance companies pay out far more than they have paid in .. Insurance companies are massive investment institutions.. the premiums are heavily invested in the Markets, as well as Real Estate, and Bonds. Obviously the Premiums will be used to off set expenses, unlike a normal Socialist program, however it's still going to cost a LOT of money.. the Governments own projections is 1.4-1.9 trillion in additional expenses.
And you give the Government waaay to much credit for handling money..