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Originally posted by Majic
There is no shortage of talk about impeaching Bush these days, and it's from the usual suspects, such as Ramsey Clark.
Now if this were a thread about how cool the Macarena is, then yeah, I'd leave it.
Originally posted by Ambient Sound
*shakes head sadly*
...If we had wanted to impeach him, we wouldn't have elected him again.
Reelecting Bush wasn't so much about Bush as it was about rejecting what John Kerry represented and the philosophy behind it.
Originally posted by twitchy
Clinton got out of the impeachment process by threatening to blow the lid off the Mena AK drug operations.
www.davidicke.net... conspiracy/bushcoc aine.html
here's a google search you should check out...
[edit on 15-12-2004 by twitchy]
Bout Time: 6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
Banned MemberBS with little or no proof.
Ambient sound: If we had wanted to impeach him, we wouldn't have elected him again.
Ambient sound: As long as the left continues to prove (with topics like this one) how far out of touch with reality they really are.
Webtripperdude: Its about the oil
Originally posted by mrmulder
Most think this is a war on terrorism when in fact it's war on oil.
STEPHEN KINZER, "A Perilous New Contest for the Next Oil Prize," New York Times, September 21, 1997
The big players are nations including Russia, Iran and the United States, companies like Amoco, Pennzoil and Exxon and lobbyists with names like Kissinger, Haig, Baker and Brzezinski. They and every shark east of Suez have recognized that over the next decades, the greatest of games will be
played around the Caspian.
The Oil Connection: Afghanistan and Caspian Sea oil pipeline routes
Don't think there is a connection between Afghanistan and the oil monopolies? Think again. The information contained in these partial Department of Energy reports are current as of September 2001. You can read the complete texts at www.eia.doe.gov... and www.eia.doe.gov... This story could be bigger than the Pentagon Papers if it were discovered that the "war on terrorism" were an excuse to end Afghanistan's civil war in order to secure the Southern route of an oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea through Afghanistan. In 1998, the Taliban signed an agreement to proceed with the pipeline, but the civil war has kept the project from getting started.
ELAINE SCIOLINO, "It's a Sea! It's a Lake! No. It's a Pool of Oil!," New York Times, June 21, 1998
Iran's spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, regards the whole debate as part of a U.S.-inspired plot to impose a military presence on Iran's northern border -- the Caspian -- just as it did on Iran's southern border, the Persian Gulf. "The U.S. oil companies' presence in the Caspian Sea is aimed at paving the ground for the U.S. military presence in this sensitive oil-rich region," he said recently.
A coup d'etat for Big Oil
President Bush successfully manipulated the emotions of the American people after Sept. 11 in order to foist his father's ultra-conservative New World Order agenda upon the American people and the world, but are we willing to follow the President over a cliff just because the polls say he is popular right now? When Papa Bush spoke of the New World Order, he was referring to the day when his fellow oil barons would rule the world. He was referring to the creation of a modern Roman Empire. The implication here is that any nation that stands in the way of this Empire will be destroyed. Here is the approximate formula President Bush has used in the aftermath of 9/11:
1) Blame someone. After the Sept 11 attack, Osama bin Laden was immediately named as the person responsible, but the evidence for this blame has never been made public due to supposed "national security" concerns. It is essential that there be a single bad guy that can be blamed, as this focuses attention squarely on him rather than on other contributing factors that may reflect negatively on the United States.
2) Tell the public why we were attacked. President Bush told us that the WTC attack was an attack on our freedom and liberty, on our "American way of life." He stated that we are now at war with terrorism and told us that it is our patriotic duty to support a "long and protracted war." He also dictated that "you are either with us or you are with the terrorists," meaning that there is no middle ground and no room for dissent.
3) Focus on humanitarian concerns. Considering the fate of starving civilians and abused women is good PR during war. The Bush administration never considered humanitarian food drops before Sept. 11, yet this became a focus as the bombs started falling. And while the administration was secretly negotiating with the Taliban, the fate of Afghanistan's women was not even a concern in the negotiations, yet this became another focus after the bombs started falling.
4) Get the mass media involved. The administration knew that the corporate media would not dispute any administration claims regarding the attacks and would keep practicing self-censorship in the name of the "war on terrorism." They knew from experience that reporters would not ask tough, probing questions, but would loyally report each White House and Pentagon briefing as if every word were true.
5) Get Congress involved. With no public hearings and little discussion, Congress has given the President broad new war powers and has sharply curtailed the civil rights of private citizens and political organizations by passing new COINTELPRO-like legislation authorizing domestic spying and wiretapping. Congress has also raided the national treasury and has given away billions in taxpayer dollars to "needy" oil and airline companies and other corporate beggars.
6) Attack Afghanistan. No surprise here that the government would begin bombing Afghanistan under the guise of capturing or killing Osama bin Laden. And it is certainly no coincidence that Afghanistan happens to be very important to the long-term strategic plans of Big Oil. According to the Department of Energy, the oil reserves in Central Asia alone are worth about $3 trillion at today's prices, but the oil is worthless until it can be brought to market via an oil pipeline. There is no denying that the President and his father are Big Oil men. In addition, the President's top advisors have a background in Big Oil. Vice President Dick Cheney is the former president of Halliburton, an oil consulting firm; National Security Council Advisor Condoleeza Rice is the former manager of Chevron; and Secretary of Commerce Donald Evans and Energy Secretary Stanley Abraham both worked for Tom Brown, another Big Oil conglomerate.
7) Continue attacks. Once Afghanistan is secure, look for the "war on terrorism" to spread to other countries in the region under one pretext or another. Iraq, certainly, must be high on the list to be bombed again. Other possibilities include Iran, the Phillipines and Columbia, depending upon the level of civilian dissent that surfaces in the weeks and months ahead. We can also expect more terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as the cycle of war and retaliation continues.
The Caspian Basin: USA and pipeline politics
It is not clear but is alleged that soon after George W. Bush gained presidency energy resources became a topic of conversation between the US and the Taliban. A book by Jean Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasquie, “Bin Laden: la verite interdite” (Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth) claims that the Bush administration held meetings with Taliban officials before 9/11 to discuss once again the prospect of a pipeline through Afghanistan. The book asserts that very close ties with the oil industry motivated the Bush administration to revive pipeline discussions with the Taliban despite the American dislike for the regime.
There are many reported connections, too numerous to recount here, but some of these ties include Vice-president Dick Cheney's involvement with Halliburton, an oil drilling services provider. It is very difficult to find out deals that happened when public figures were in private office but such connections have been widely reported in the American press.
Also in question is the US manoeuvre of the rise to power of two former Unocal employees: Hamid Karzai, the new interim president of Afghanistan, and Zalmay Khalizad, the Bush administration's Afghanistan envoy. The National Security advisor Condoleeza Rice's former seat on the board of directors for Chevron has also been questioned.
Basing their claims on interviews with former FBI deputy director John O'Neill, co-authors of the above mentioned book “Bin Laden: la verite interdite” state that the White House impeded investigations into Osama bin Laden's activities while pipeline talks were active. The most shocking claim in this book concerns a statement alleged to have come out of talks between Taliban representatives and the US government in Washington, in March 2001.
According to the book, increasingly frustrated US negotiators told the Taliban, "either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs." The parties talked for many months before reaching an impasse in August 2001. And ironically the September 11 attack provided the Bush administration a legitimate reason to use the US military to pave the way for the long-sought Afghan oil route.
There are reports that demonstrative support for the war on terrorism against the Taliban was most clearly visible in US energy company boardrooms. In this context Osama bin Laden offered a golden opportunity to further expand American geopolitical influence into South and Central Asia.
After the ousting of the Taliban government the interim government began to shape the economic and political future of Afghanistan and things seemed conducive enough for the Bush administration to accelerate the pipeline projects that were abandoned. Pakistan and Turkmenistan have shown keen interest in the construction of a gas pipeline on the lines of the one initiated by Unocal and proposed as the “CentGas” pipeline.
The possibility that the president of the United States would either allow an attack on Americans to further a political agenda is so horrifying that many reject the possibility out of hand. - From 'Ambushed', by Toby Rogers
We have the welfare of giant corporations taking precedence over the health of nations, as millions of families across the entire world suffer from the sadistic invasion of Iraq while certain favored business entities such as Halliburton and Dyncorp fatten up on the fresh blood of innocents.
America has been revealed as an incompetent, psychotic, and cowardly military force. The future of American citizens can be correctly predicted as the same as what we are doing to many thousands of Iraqi families at this precise moment in time.
... given the unjust and unfair behavior of the United States and its vigilante financial whores known as the International Monetary Fund, it is only a matter of time before the regions permanently defaced by war would creep closer to our own borders.
Therefore, it is a matter of treason that Bush and his handlers, with their insincere prattling about terror threats, should have created a genuine war hazard from their many false pronouncements about terrorists that they have created as a pretext for accelerated profits for military contractors.
Al-Qaeda may not exist except as a public relations creation of the CIA, but the monstrous conception of this fictional threat has led to the emergence of new real threats — the karma of self-deception is always self-destruction — all because the moral and logistical weaknesses of the U.S. military machine have been startlingly revealed by the disingenuous incompetence of the lying fools (Bush, Cheney, Kissinger, Rockefeller et al) who devised the hoax (remember the World Trade Center?) in the first place.
In their ruse to create an incident that would rally the gullible American public to endorse their heartless war against the whole world, they failed to foresee that in their sorceror's apprentice utilization of murderous fraud would be revealed to the world the American hypocrisy
To confront the Beast the USA has become — the realization is growing around the world.
These people didn't want to be our enemies, but we made them be, because it was good for business. Or so our leaders told us.
This is treason, and a tragedy of very likely unprecedented proportions.
Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
The power of impeachment assures the people against criminal acts and
despotic ambitions by government officials.