Human Killed Neanderthal, Weapons Test Shows, page 3

reply to post by Scooby Doo

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The two lines separated and reunited several times and in several locations. I think from what I've read that European Neanderthals were separated the longest. One could only imagine all types of interactions between the two lineages. Simply becuase there is a split between two similar lines does not mean they cannot reproduce.

Liger-Tigon

If in one location we find peaceful coexistence. Then that proves that in that location they had a peaceful coexistence. The area in question was probably very abundant in natural resources. This however doesn't mean that in other locations say in southern France they didn't have a much different relationship. Hunting the same game and competing for the same resources in a harsher environment would have resulted in a confrontational outcome.

Whose to say that even if they interbred that the offspring's could even reproduce? They may have created a sterile offspring. Also have all the bones been tested?

Neanderthal may have had early advantages in their realms but with a new faster breading group with a slightly more advanced social system and on top of that them carrying diseases that Neanderthal had no defense against was a fatal combination.


A great read for anybody referring to the European conquest of the new world. It's an interesting perspective. I found the video series on YouFlube I will embed the 1rst part.
Guns, Germs and Steel.



I say the largest contribution to the down fall of Neanderthal would have been the earliest forms of animal domestication before the 15000 to 10000 BC mark. We may not have had them "Domesticated" yet but we could have been interacting with them long before the first herders showed up in mass.

These early forms of interactions could of had the same results which later conquered the new world. As per neanderthal it helped spread Germs into the arena of species survival.

We have seen it happen a few times in our own history. At first by mistake then on purpose. Once man realized how powerful it was then it later became a weapon.

[edit on 13-9-2009 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by Hanslune

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hi there hans,

Ok maybe not quite 100k every where, but certainly in the middle east and central asia, and 40K for sure western europe.

reply to post by mmiichael

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Howdy MM

I woujld disagree I would say from my reading that Neanderthal was an occassional cannibal- how often we don't know.

Neanderthal arachaeological site report

Unfortunately the report is written in 'Archaeologiese'

Qualitative and quantitative studies of modifications to the hominid and nonhominid faunal assemblages from the Moula-Guercy level XV demonstrate parallels in processing. The antiquity of modification of both faunal and hominid remains is demonstrated by matrix cover and manganese rosettes superimposed on cut marks, as well as by multiple cut marks crossing ancient fracture edges of refit pieces discovered in different parts of the cave. Only one identifiable Cervus specimen shows carnivore modification.

None of the hominid remains do. In contrast, both hominid and deer bones show abundant and unequivocal evidence of hominid-induced modification. These modifications were studied and quantified according to criteria established elsewhere (4). Cut marks, percussion pits, anvil striae, adhering flakes, internal vault release, inner conchoidal scars, crushing of spongy bone, and peeling are all found on both the ungulate and hominid remains. In some instances, the cut and percussion marks show signature criteria to indicate successive strokes of the same implement in defleshing and percussing (Fig. 2).

There is similar post-discard polish on the hominid and nonhominid assemblages, possibly indicating that occupation of the cave continued after the butchery event or events had occurred. Refitting studies establish that fragments of fractured human bones were spread across 3 m of the cave and were distributed through ~30 to 40 cm of deposit (Fig. 1).

Basically it says that the bones of both animals and Neanderthals were processed for food in the same way. Cervus is Red Deer (Cervus elaphus)

Fig 2. modified bones

Cannibalism has been attributed to Neanderthals for nearly a century (6) and is a recurrent theme in considerations of their mortuary practices. Perimortem modifications are known from other Pleistocene localities, such as Krapina, Vindija (7), Marillac (8), Combe Grenal (9), Macassargues (10), Zafarraya (11), and even Europe's earliest occupation site, the Lower Pleistocene TD6 occurrence at Atapuerca's Dolina (12). Inferences of paleolithic cannibalism have been questioned on the basis of insecure spatial and stratigraphic data, as well as insecure identification of bone modifications. The largest skeletal series interpreted as evidence of cannibalism among Neanderthals is the Krapina assemblage from Croatia (13). The cannibalism interpretation was questioned by Trinkaus (14), who attributed the assemblage to other taphonomic factors. A subsequent analysis of perimortem cut marks on the Krapina Neanderthal bones by Russell (15) led her to conclude that there was: "postmortem processing of corpses with stone tools, probably in preparation for burial of cleaned bones" (p. 381). Both investigators deny any evidence of marrow processing of the Krapina Neanderthal limb bones (14, 16).

The numbers in the quote lead to the reports on those sites which can be clicked on in the original report which is linked to above.

[edit on 15/9/09 by Hanslune]

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