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"Damn The Country, Obama Must Fail"

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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 05:00 AM
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Wasn't there. Take your word for it. You're a solid, fair-minded bloke in my book.

However, my thoughts are along these lines.

1. The evidence BEFORE the SElection was overwhelmingly that . . . O would be diligently about wholesale and rapid destruction of the Republic of the United States of America. . . . his buddy's plan to exterminate 25 million Americans was but one tiny puzzle piece amongst 100's.

2. The evidence after the SElection is overwhelmingly that . . . O . . . is eagerly setting about just that and is barely getting warmed up yet.

3. That he is a traitorous imposter to the max seems, to me, to be a very mild way of describing the facts.

4. The globalists have been playing all hands against the middle toward destroying Nationhood and establishing a tyrannical global government for AT LEAST 100 years . . . witness the quotes in this ref at post #81 here:

www.freerepublic.com...

of our leaders over the last 100 years.

5. I've wondered from before the SElection if O was not being set-up as a fall-guy . . . to engineer, lead some engineering of some extremely destructive stuff in the body politic . . . and then . . . at some point be harshly removed by the same folks who set him up in the first place. Their goal, amongst others, is to create chaos, mayhem, death, etc. toward justifying martial law and coercing a global government on top of the ashes of the USA . . . as well as adding a bit to the population reduction goal.

6. The absolutely certain use by O of Neuro-Linguistic Programming mass hypnosis techniques during the campaign is something I have training in. It was hideous. The fact that so many millions were so mindlessly swayed by it is more hideous.

7. I have close to 0.0000000% faith in any of the congress critters. Certainly the Senate has been co-opted by the traitorous globalists for a long time . . . along with the House leadership.

8. If the O is being set up to fail--it is being done by the same blokes who put him in power and trained him to dance so destructively on the ends of their puppet strings.

9. Personally, I don't think there's much hope for the USA until after literal Biblical Armageddon regardless of what happens to the O. The oligarchy has the power and means to shred the nation and they are energetically going about it. O is merely their chief henchman at the moment. The fact that he uses a smiley faced lubricant is not a great comfort.

10. It's a charade . . . a play . . . by de Sade. The O is truly merely the Joker.




posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 06:35 AM
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remember people, your vote keeps the evil replublicans at bay !

make sure you vote for a democrat, a vote for a democrat is a vote for america !

if thats not enough, and they start arming themselves we can put republicans on the terror watch list and start drone bombing them

it's a tough job, but someone has to keep us safe from republicans



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 06:44 AM
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This is probably the best place to post my 300th.

Your plethora of creative, anxious, foreboding, summoning (shall I go on?) icons which all go to this thread are uuum ... won't say the truth here - you'll kick me out of ATS!


Anyway, back on the subject ... I am REALLY missing something here ... I am missing what the S.O.S. et al is so dramatic for.

The Republicans and KKK and others have been 'gunning' (pun intended) for Obama personally since last Summer when he got the Democratic nomination. That's not news really. (Edit: Forgot to mention that all our presidents have been highest level degree Masons (some were honorary inducted AFTER they got into the White House) ... but, Obama isn't allowed in any of the REAL Mason halls in U.S.A. Blacks are segregated to Prince Hall, females to Eastern Star etc. It's like when your vet gives your pet YOUR last name ... doesn't make it human does it now!)

And as for our Representative and Senators (BOTH parties) ... they stopped representing the people long ago but the biggest eye-opener was last Fall's TARP election when 99% (YES! They said 99%!!!) of all the email, letters and correspondence with Congress on TARP were AGAINST. This was the largest and most flagrant proof that our Congress is NOT 'our Congress'. The vote broke down pretty much on party lines ... with Democrats voting for it the most (plus McCain and Obama both voted 'yes'.)

Pelosi is the most hated Congressperson amongst both Democrats and Republicans. To Democrats, she's a Republican in a donkey-suit. To Republicans, she's female - enough said.

Bush couldn't get bi-partisan support ... and it looks like Obama never will either. Many past presidents couldn't get a consensus between the two parties.

I've noticed the Republicans are changing clothes and 'appearing' more Democratic ... and the Democrats are now going for the big bucks constituents instead of for the people. Either way around it, I avoid BOTH parties!

Okay, now what did I miss here? I'm missing something I'm sure because all of this is old, common knowledge news. I MUST be missing something in your message. Can you break it down into a one or two-liner dummy-speak?

Thanks!

[edit on 13-8-2009 by Trexter Ziam]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:21 AM
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It is funny how librals always make the Repulicans look like the bad guys. No surprise that it is happening here as well. I guess it is obvious which way you swing..... It is funny how you did not mention that the same thing was happening, even more so, when Bush was in office and the democrats were doing the same things, except worse!



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:17 AM
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I had another thought, if we abolished political parties that would surely help.

Candidates and representatives would be chosen by their constituents instead of the party, and it would remove the whole Left-Right cycle of hate and party politics.

Just throwing it out there.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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Bill, I hear what you're saying, believe me I do, but the question still begs to be asked,...

What are you going to do about it?

I understand that ATS is your bread and butter, in essence something you love, I have witnessed that in the years I have been here as a member.

Are you going to enter into politics yourself, because if you're not, you might as well be blowing hot air just like the rest of Washington, no offense meant towards you.

I am speaking of course about affecting the change by becoming a part of the solution.

If you're not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.

Is this your ramp up to the 2012 election year for ATS to get us amped up, or a ramp up to going into political office yourself?

Are you Republican or Democrat, I do not remember, and I'm not about to start peeling through your old threads to find out, so I am going to politely ask you here.

Me? I'm a registered Independent, so we both know the Republican's and Democrat's would stand against me getting into any office, but what about you?

Left-Wing, Right-Wing, This Turkey, Knows How To Soar Like An Eagle

I created the thread above, as a political platform of sorts, a testing and staging ground, if you will.

Everything I have said here on ATS, has been about someday getting into a political office.

I have been approached over 1000 times to run as President of the United States of America.

Every single time, I have turned them down flat, every time.

You know what answer I give them?

I do not want to be a puppet representing "Big Money" and "Big Industry", I want to actually represent the people who voted for me out in the voting booths, not the ones who rigged the election to get me into office to act as their front man.

So, Bill, old buddy, old pal, are you throwing your hat into the arena?

Who knows, you might find a running mate here on ATS, after all your time and dedication.


[edit on 13-8-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 09:26 AM
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Warning: Main Stream Media Source Used

Obama injects himself into talks, despite risks
www.msnbc.msn.com...




Last month, for example, hospital officials were poised to appear at the White House to announce a deal limiting their industry’s share of the costs of the overhaul proposal when a wave of jitters swept through the group. Senator Max Baucus, the Finance Committee chairman and a party to the deal, had abruptly pulled out of the event. Was he backing away from his end of the deal?

Not to worry, Jim Messina, deputy White House chief of staff, told the lobbyists, according to White House officials and lobbyists briefed on the call. The White House was standing behind the deal, Mr. Messina said, capping the industry’s costs at a maximum of $155 billion over 10 years in trade for its political support. Some Democrats and industry lobbyists now argue that, in negotiating deals through Mr. Baucus’s panel with powerful health care interests, the White House was tacitly signaling as early as last spring that it might end up accepting something more modest than the government insurer the president has said he prefers.

Another example of our freedoms being bought, sold, and determined by lobbyists.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by Pathos]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 09:48 AM
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I hesitate to get involved in this, simply because it is not my country and there is enough needs fixing in my own country, the UK.

Having said that, what happens in the US greatly affects what happens in the UK.

As an outsider, looking in, I've always been surprised by peoples reactions to certain policies and decisions, because they seem (to me) to echo corporate goals, with of course, certain exceptions.

I don't want to harp back to Bush/Blair and Iraq too much, but what happened seemed to me to be a perfect example of corporations/lobbyists/call it what you will dictating not only national policy, but also international policy.

Then there's the arms industry as well, which the "hippies" called the military industrial complex, and contrary to popular belief is alive and not just kicking, but doing gymnastics.

Then there's how the two combine - weapons are useless without war, as are so many other things.
Conflict pays, peace doesn't - at least not to the real power brokers.

I have, over the last few years particularly, become extremely disillusioned with the government in my own country.

Even before Iraq, I despised Tony Blair as a fake, a charlaton and a champagne socialist, and since then my dislike has deepened.

You see, the Labour party invented the NHS.
The labour party are supposed to be the caring party of the people.

What they really are, is just another example of how the corporate world has insidiously infected our countries, to the extent that The People don't matter, unless they get in the way, or unless they can be of some disposable use.

Thankfully, in the UK we have had some exttremely good journalism over the last few months, which has lead to a huge outcry about MP's expenses, with the result that some 120 MP's are going to stand down at the next election.

I have said for some time that professional politicians are a huge mistake - but no-one seems to listen, preferring to believe the argument that only professionals can do the job.
That's complete and utter rot - the people who do the work are the civil servants - the politicians just point them in the direction they want them to go, which over the last few years has been the direction that pays highest in the form of lobbyists.

I firmly believe, and have done for some time, that unless we take power back NOW, then it will be too late.
I don't advocate violence or civil unrest.

What I advocate is hitting them where it REALLY hurts - at the ballot box.

In the US it's even harder, but both the UK 3 party system and the US 2 party system must be broken for the good of both our countries.

Then after that, kick out the lobbyists.

Then get back to the job of doing what they are supposed to do and represent their people.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 10:04 AM
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I still see partisan politics in this forum,

I thought people on ATS were better than that.

Guess not,

5% A students
90% C students
5% F students

Until you realize that you're being screwed by the big red, white, blue [snip]. you will never be happy.

[edit on 8/13/2009 by die_another_day]


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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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Is it too late?


Depends. Too late for what?



Was there ever any hope?


Too late for hope? Hope in what or in who?

If one were to check out the quotes from our leaders over the last 100 years in post #81 here:

www.freerepublic.com...

One would quickly see that the well finaced, well connected, very powerful ruling oligarchy has had things in their iron fisted grip for a very long time. Some folks say 400 years or more.

My reading of Scripture and studying the globalist oligarchy since 1965 convinces me that there's

NO HOPE IN MAN . . . no hope in politicians for sure . . . the traitors from hell are running the funny farm . . . literally.

Scripture is clear that the evil doers will be in charge of the planet 3.5-7 years OVERTLY. The build-up, of course, has been a long one. One could say . . . millenia.

However, AFTER literal Biblical Armageddon, God will be, Christ will be in OVERT control of the planet and all Creation wholesale. Evil-doers will be gone, cleansed from the earth.

Now THAT is reason for HOPE!

Of course . . . along that route . . . folks may need to take the evil-doer in their mirrors to God's altar, Christ's Cross, for redempton . . .

IF . . . they want to be part of the HOPE-filled future.

Essentially, nothing else matters. There is no other hope.

It's just a 'simple' fact.

It appears to me that one of the main . . . themes . . . purposes . . . of this era is to demonstrate to all Creation that the arm of flesh . . . that MAN APART FROM GOD

even given the best form of government on the planet

will always end up producing death and destruction . . . now labeling it as "change."

God have mercy. Where's the puke bucket.

The whole Dem/GOP thing has been overwhelmingly a charade, a "B" rate drama, a distraction while they termite shred the structure of the Republic from the foundation up under the table.

They've durn near completed that task.


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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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And my next winner of lets play Payola Politics...

Senator RICHARD BURR of NC.

He has collected more money From the Pharmaceutical industry than any other Senator or Congressman thus far for the 2010 election cycle alone....$403,848

www.opensecrets.org...

Can anyone guess his stance?.....

Senators who weakened drug bill got millions from industry
www.usatoday.com...

.......the powers granted to the FDA in the bill's original version were pared back during private meetings. And efforts to curb conflicts of interest among FDA advisers and allow consumers to buy cheaper drugs from other countries were defeated in close votes.

The pharmaceutical companies spend more money on lobbying than any other single industry — $855 million from 1998 to 2006, according to the non-partisan Center for Public Integrity.

Sen. Richard Burr received over $500,000 in campaign contributions from pharmaceutical executives and political action committees from 2001-2007.

Sen. Richard Burr says health reform bad for drug industry
pulse.ncpolicywatch.org...
North Carolina’s Senator of the moment, Richard Burr, spoke out strongly at a GlaxoSmithKline forum yesterday, stating that government involvement in health reform would adversely affect the drug industry. How? They might make fewer profits and have less incentive to bring all those desperately-needed (and heavily advertised) drugs to market.

...opposed to public disclosure of fast-track drug information by the FDA.

www.wral.com...
Republican Sen. Richard Burr says health care legislation being negotiated in the House and Senate has potential to "decimate" North Carolina's economy.

en.wikipedia.org...
Burr raised more money from political action committees, $2.8 million, than any other Senate candidate in 2004, primarily from the business community. Of the 100 largest companies in America, at least 72 contributed to Burr. Those included the PACs for such corporations as Wal-Mart, Exxon Mobil, General Motors, Ford, General Electric and ChevronTexaco.



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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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The shape of things to come

What we are seeing happening in Washington is a not just political gridlock, it is a political WAR between the Global Elite and the MIC. We just know them locally as Democrats and Republicans. It is for more than just control of this country, it is the direction that we all will be going as a race in the near future and whoever is in control will be making the new rules. Everyone knows it will all starts here in America and yes it is out of our individual control.

This new cold war will continue until one side wins and the other is eliminated. The politicians may not know this, but the backers with all the money do, and they know what is at stake so they are fighting tooth and nail. That is why the talking heads are told to go after Obama. That is why the republicans have their long knives out. That is why they say "Damn The Country, Obama Must Fail". Conservatives want to keep the country the way it is, but there are other forces inside and outside this country that want to use the power of America to usher in there vision of the future. It is bigger than just our country.

What we have are two sides of the political spectrum where originally America was founded on Libertarian ideology which is between both extremes. Technically it is 90 degrees from the two axis, but both Democrats and Republicans will claim they are the party of the founding fathers. Both parties agree to a republic where the people are represented, but the differences are is in the amount of government control over the people.

None of us like anyone telling us what to do, and this independent streak is the core of America. That is why we have the Bill of Rights to grant all of us that luxury. Unfortunately, sometimes that personal independence infringes on someone else's rights and so laws are made to try to make it fair for both. This becomes more complicated with time because the population becomes larger and our individual rights are reduced in favor of the common good. This is when WE start to turn on each other and we have the current atmosphere that we do.

I tend to side on the left myself only because I despise the strong arm tactics that the right employs. To me it looks like they get more desperate everyday because they know they are loosing. A few years from now that may change, but as time goes on everything gets worse. I (hope) don't think this will become a hot war but I do see some skirmishes breaking out over the next couple of years.

Where it will lead to is probably a single party in power and the "common good" is likely to win over the "individual" only because there will be too many of us to have them.

[edit on 8/13/2009 by Hal9000]

[edit on 8/13/2009 by Hal9000]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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There's more than one way to skin a cat. The wife of the junior senator from Indiana makes (I'm not going to say "earns") more than a million dollars a year sitting on the boards of various companies like Emmis (broadcasting), WellPoint (health insurance), and four pharmaceutical companies (Curis Inc., Dyax Corp., Nastech Pharmaceuticals and Dendreon Corp.) as well as the privately held companies Golden State Foods and E-Trade Bank of Virginia.

A professional board member. Sweet part time gig.

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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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Funny how that seems to happen every millenium or so huh? The wars of directions for the future so to speak.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:34 PM
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Ugh! Gut-wrenching.

And yet, even exposed as it is, it is 'tolerated'. It is 'excused' and some say ... "that's the way the system works, and always will..."

I often reply; "This is working?!"

And the authors of the sentiment look at me like I must be stupid. These are the people who look at the homeless and destitute and derisively bark "Get a job!".


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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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The worst thing about that is that these people would say we only castigate them "because we are jealous of them"

Now that truly is sick.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:39 PM
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Careful with them thoughts yr ...

That's the kind of crazy talk that labels you a "socialist" around them here parts.

Argh.

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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:43 PM
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It may be sick, but it isn't completely inaccurate. Hell, I'd love for my wife to pick up 7 figures working part time. The fact that she can't is my fault for not having the wherewithal to be in the Senate.

I don't know how you can police something like this. You really can't say in this specific situation she isn't qualified. She has a law degree and was a corporate attorney for Eli Lilly (pharmaceuticals) when her husband was governor.

There used to be a saying about avoiding even the appearance of impropriety. I guess that's a dead concept.


[Edit to add]

@SD - Fact is, if I leaned any more to the right, I'd meet myself coming around the corner.

[edit on 8/13/2009 by yeahright]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:48 PM
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It just strikes me as a really disgusting form of corporate nepotism.

And of course it's not illegal.

When Tony Blair first came to power, one of the first things he did was pass the EU human rights act - a noble gesture you might think.

And then you find out his wife is a human rights lawyer and has made close to £10 million from defending peoples human rights, while her husbands government was trying to extradite/deport them or put them in prison.

Ain't government life great



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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I have been thinking, pondering, and cogitating all day on what needs to happen to save America from the corporate greed, malfeasance, and self-serving politicians that do not represent the people who duly elected them all day since my prior post from this morning.

I will say this, I still say that legally opening non-profit's, think-tank's, and lobbying for the American people will be the only way to bring back America to the American people, and take it away from the "Washington as usual" crowd on Capitol Hill.

A non-profit is a Hell of a way to go to educate the people and get support while simultaneously benefiting the populace.

Nonprofit Law & Governance For Dummies

All it takes is getting the proper things in line, educate yourself, and if you cannot afford to buy the books, go to your public library and check it out.

Going To Your Public Library, Gathering Open Source Intelligence, and Surviving

I have spoken at length on this type of topic in the above thread.

The Investment Think Tank: Theory, Strategy, and Practice For Advisers

A think-tank is a way to form the policy around that non-profit, or any other business, or politician you want to put into office for that matter.

Hell there are countless books out there in how to get yourself educated to get into politics to affect that change you want to see happen.

U.S. Constitution For Dummies

Congress for Dummies

Politics for Dummies

U.S. Presidents for Dummies

Am I just talking to myself, or are crickets chirping out there?

I keep seeing a few stars pop up on my posts on here, but very few if ever replies.

Fundraising For Dummies

I mean come on people, it is not hard to do this stuff.

Of course, keep in mind, not to do it through ATS, so you do not break the terms and conditions of this wonderful website.

What I am in essence saying, is use the tools and templates that those same said corrupt politicians use, and do something about the problem for actually beating them out of office by taking the offices from them.

You want no corruption in politics?

Do something about it...

You want politicians who actually represent you?

Do something about it...

You want to make that change instead of waiting around for it to happen?

Do something about it...

If you're not going to do something about it, then it will be business as usual on Capitol Hill.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch... ...trouble is brewing on the homefront... ...Lassie has gone to get help to save Timmy who fell into a well...

Pentagon Planning Deployment of Troops in Support of Nationwide Vaccination





[edit on 13-8-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]




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