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"Damn The Country, Obama Must Fail"

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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Boy, you just sank my battleship!

I am ... speechless.




posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by BearTruth
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Boy, you just sank my battleship!

I am ... speechless.


Man I am so sorry! My girlfriend told me that this Secret Deodarant was strong enough for a man? ...but made for a woman! I guess I should have listened to her. I tell you there is somethign I really don't like about that RightGaurd though!



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
My girlfriend told me that this Secret Deodarant was strong enough for a man? ...but made for a woman! I guess I should have listened to her. I tell you there is somethign I really don't like about that RightGaurd though!


Frankly, I'm a Mitchum man. They tout it is so effective you can skip a day. I tried that, it is not recommended.

Seriously, regarding your post. If technically there is no legal basis to support our government, I suppose it is of little importance where our President was born.

I've always heard that the IRS isn't actually authorized to charge Income Tax, but I've always paid nonetheless.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by kinda kurious]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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Okay...here are the worst "obvious" offenders I have found via researching who got the most money from industry in relation to the committees they sit on, their public rhetoric and the bills they back or don't back.

These folks rank in the very top of their field for taking huge sums of money from interest groups for their "positions".

I know there are many more. Feel free to add names, with evidence.
Please leave partisanship out of it.

This isn't about political parties, ideology or culture wars...These folks simply legislate and spout rhetoric for money.

Hit the "thread" button at the bottom of my post to see individual postings on these folks and why I think they are the worst among crooks...that I have found thus far.

* Newspapers can't afford researchers anymore ....I might flesh out my data on these folks and fire off some emails with links offering suggestions for a story.

I might time it for the election cycle...lets take the worst offenders and "burn down their house"...that is a figure of speech BTW. Rinse and repeat until politicians start to think twice when that lobbyist walks into their office.

Will it have an effect? I don't know, but I will feel better.

BYRON DORGON, Senator ND
RICK BOUCHER, Rep. VA 9th Dist.
BLANCHE LINCOLN Senator AR
RICHARD BURR Senator NC

Notice I didn't state their political affiliation? Corruption doesn't care.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by maybereal11]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
My girlfriend told me that this Secret Deodarant was strong enough for a man? ...but made for a woman! I guess I should have listened to her. I tell you there is somethign I really don't like about that RightGaurd though!


Frankly, I'm a Mitchum man. They tout it is so effective you can skip a day. I tried that, it is not recommended.

Seriously, regarding your post. If technically there is no legal basis to support our government, I suppose it is of little importance where our President was born.

I've always heard that the IRS isn't actually authorized to charge Income Tax, but I've always paid nonetheless.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by kinda kurious]


You my friend are a very generous man!

I had the IRS call me up back right around 2000 and ask why I had not thought of them in a decade!

I told them why but filled out the 10 years of forms that they wanted none the less but signed them JACK MEOFF instead of with my real name and under occupation put DURESS.

A year and a half later the comptroller where I was working at the time came to me and said the IRS sent through a Levy on your wages, just so you know your paychecks are virtually going to be next to nothing if you don't straighten it out quick.

I filled out a 9-1-1 form APPEAL TO THE TAX PAYERS ADVOCATE and took it down to the main IRS office in Miami where I live.

It took me all afternoon, but I stuck to my guns through supervisors in person and at various regional offices and I kept saying the same thing.

Show me the precise law where it says I have to pay income taxes.

Of course they couldn't, and by the end of the day when it had finally gotten to the main office in Maryland I said "Look I will fly to any city in the United States of America right now at my own expense that has a copy of the law to show me in Black and White that I have to pay taxes, where is one?"

And the sound of silence..."Please put your agent back on the line"

I left with a hand written release of Levy form that the agent of 25 years confessed to having never filled one out, who proclaimed me either the luckiest man alive or that both he and I would soon be headed to jail for a long time.

Ultimately what did them in is they had no Contract. I didn't sign it with my name. I hadn't agreed to pay them anything. My current W-4 withholdings were loaded with so many exemptions they hadn't been getting anything either.

I fought the law and I won, I fought the law and I won!

Fighting the law can be lots of fun when your realize they are the criminals and no fun!



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 03:09 PM
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Back in 1979 1980 Dylan wrote a tune Slow Train Comin....

Sheiks acting like kings
wearing fancy jewels and gold rings
deciden America' future from Amaterdam on inta Paris...

And its a Slow, Slow train comen up around the bend...FROM ALbum Slow Train Coming..Bod Dylan 1979

Seems Dylan may have saw it coming down the line.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by whiteraven]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Show me the precise law where it says I have to pay income taxes.


Relevant sections can be looked up and verified. Yay!
Income Tax Myths - "There's just no law requiring you to pay federal income taxes."

To me it sounds like you're someone, maybe an (EX) accountant, who knows, having some yucks for schlitz and giggles at this site, hoping someone will try what you suggest. Or, perhaps you're in the pen right now and you've been granted internet access for good behavior for working for the feds by luring unsuspecting wannabe freemen into conflicts with the government.



I fought the law and I won, I fought the law and I won!

Fighting the law can be lots of fun when your realize they are the criminals and no fun!


Good, write a book documenting your tactics and successes with actual evidence. Publish it online for free just to increase your karma points. I'm sure it would be a hit.



Edit: I do know of someone that beat the IRS but was years of single-pointed effort, not spending a day or two of filling out forms and saying "show me the law that says...".

[edit on 8/13/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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The Federal Government sure has great propoganda. It's bolstered by those enslaved to it that warn others not to buck the system and convince them not to try.

Very much like the young artist who dreams of moving to Hollywood or New York to seek fortune and fame whose family says "Oh that happens to other people, not folks like us".

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink!

It's all a simple matter of contract law. Had you read any of my posts to this thread starting on page 15, I present a very clear case on how the nation is ruled by corporate interests using a system of contract law not Constitutional law. I even posted just when and how the Constitution fell out of use.

It's all a matter of contract law, most of the people who run afoul of the IRS trying to fight them have at some point signed the actual contract physically or entered into an actual contract with them orally that becomes enforceable.

At the moment you sign or state something that creates a contract or can be construed as creating a contract you now do have a legal obligation to pay them under contract law.

I don't advocate feeding the beast. You are welcome to feed the beast but that is no gaurantee that the beast will not bite you!

The secret fits into once sentence. Don't sign the contract! Your 1040 form is a Contract. The minute you put your signature to it, they have you.

You can file without signing it. You can sign it by simply stating Under Duress. It is not a valid contract. If you simply go into an IRS Office and give them your 1040 at the counter unsigned or signed in that fashion and they stamp it FILED which they will, you have filed your taxes!

You have not created though a contract to pay your taxes! It is not an enforcable contract, and since you have Filed you have evaded nothing!

What gets people in trouble is signing the form and then fighting with them.

Someone like Wesley Snipes who gets bad advice attempts to cheat on his taxes and signs the form. Well sorry Wesley you created a contract and the moment you signed your name to it, you agreed to contract per their rules.

I simply put 0.00 where it says taxes due. I simply put 0.00 where it says taxes withheld. Since I am not signing the Contract I don't have to use their rules! But by filing it I am offering them a Contract and the moment they stamp it FILED they have accepted my offer of Contract!

Like you they are conditioned to not even question as to whether I signed or how, they just accept that you did like a good little slave.

Because they have accepted my offer of Contract which is I owe you nadda, and you got nadda from me, now they have to try to ammend the contract, which they do try to do, but the fact is that it requires my cooperation to amend the contract since they have already accepted my offer of contract by stamping it filed.

When they come back to me later after wanting to assess taxes per their rules not mine, I don't pretend I will pay them money, I don't pretend I owe them money. I start then challenging them on the legality of whether they have a constitutional right to assess a Federal Income Tax which they really don't, because they violated the Constitution back in 1861 and have never operated Constitutionaly since, but simply under Corporate Contract Law.

It's like when you are dealing with the Devil, don't sign the contract!

Now if you want me to make it more complex for you and charge you 10.95 through double day so you can feel like it is something of value worth trying because it came with a price...well sorry!

Because you CAN'T BUY YOUR FREEDOM you have to stand up like a free human being and be free.

Until you are ready to do that, yes, by all means make yourself feel better by advocating slavery to a system that does not represent you or take you into consideration and taxes you into slavery even though under the Constitution they have no right to do so. Tell your friends to do the same. Pat yourself on the back, go through life submitting, sit when they tell you, say what they tell you, have what they tell you, think like they tell you and take that little bit of absolution to your grave feeling you lived a good and honest noble live.

Me I am a pirate, a rouge a naive, a Rock n Roll Rebel and I prefer Liberty or Death. They can put me in a physical prison of their own making through brute force perhaps, but it's better than living in an imaginary but very real prison they created for you in your mind.

As a free and natural human being it matters not one hair to me whether you approve. I march to the tune of my own drum. I always have, I always will. I give those who would take my liberty and freedoms and ability to think away from me to enslave me to them as my Master zip. I will not submit. You want to know why the nation is in such a screwed up state, just about everyone will submit. They don't deserve the freedom they want, because they want it given to them or to buy it in a book or press a button for it.

Our forefathers had to stand tall and proud and lay their lives on the line for it. They showed you how, you forgot. I remind you, you don't want to be reminded!

The best revenge is living well and that's just what I do. I have only one life to give and I give it not to my country or a G-d, I live it for me and the ones I love. That's who deserves the fruit of my labor, not a corrupt, repressive, intrustive, and criminal government.

Don't feed the beast!



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:04 PM
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Perhaps you could scan in a copy of your release form for proof?

I mean, isn't that how we determine the likelihood of someone saying the truth on ATS?



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
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Perhaps you could scan in a copy of your release form for proof?

I mean, isn't that how we determine the likelihood of someone saying the truth on ATS?



I am scanning it now Hunka look for it in about 15 minutes I have to upload it to the media center after scanning it.

Thanks buddy!



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
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Perhaps you could scan in a copy of your release form for proof?

I mean, isn't that how we determine the likelihood of someone saying the truth on ATS?



Oops duplicate post. I will edit it with the image in a minute.

Bear with me mods! Thanks!

[edit on 13/8/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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I am curious. I have read your posts all the way. That's why I responded at all.

Really, I don't feel I should have to live by their laws. I have no need of them to live a just existence. There are higher laws than those of man. I had thought about it myself many years ago in similar terms to yours: Just when did I sign a contract? Certainly not because I was born here, unless I signed with my footprint while still covered in amniotic fluid (maybe there are age exceptions).

But, I'm not impulsive. I am curious about it and prefer manipulating the system with its own rules over trying to confront it with brute force. I suppose if I have no concern for my own body, then it's all no problem at all. There are others around me I have to think about and depend on my presence so I suppose they have me by the balls to some degree until we all agree on something.

So, if what you say is true about the code itself and you are ahead of the game, I see it as a good thing to detail to as many possible how to avoid contracts and assert their complete true sovereignty (citizen of Rome? LOL). But, just because someone says so on a conspiracy website about the code doesn't make it so. Truely, I do have no ideas what in some of those books.

Then again, I'm sure if it became to widespead a way of dealing with the government, it would decide to just ignore its own laws. Nothing really prevents that other than the enforcers' unwillingness to act at the behest their master.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:31 PM
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This is the Release of Levy Form notice it's date!

Just like I said.




posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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Actually your parents signed the first contract when you were born and yes they got you with the foot print laugh out loud.

Maritime Law is used to bring you down the old birth Canal to the DOCKtor!

Who fills out a Bill of Layden called a Birth Certificate and when your parents sign it, you just became property of the State.

Your Masters are cheap so they let good old Mom and Dad pay to take care of you, but they can come in any time and declare you a Ward of the State, because from Birth you are a Ward of the State through that Contractual System.

You have a limited time to opt out of the Contract when you are 18.

However these are some of your existing Contracts.

Social Security Number? CONTRACT
Drivers License? CONTRACT
Voters Registration Card? CONTRACT
Birth Certificate? CONTRACT
Marraige License? CONTRACT
Business License? CONTRACT
Bank Account? CONTRACT
Lease or Mortgage? CONTRACT
Utility Service? CONTRACT
Phone Service? CONTRACT

Signed sealed delivered your theirs!

So sowwy, so sowwy!

Welcome to slave planet Earth! Where there is no escape!







[edit on 13/8/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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If you aren't paying any income tax, then I suppose that you have also given up any luxuries that are paid for by those taxes? Do you avoid driving on highways and visiting national parks? Will you not cash your SS checks or accept any Medicare when the time comes?

If not then you are just stealing from the rest of us citizens who do pay for it.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:50 PM
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Three issues then.

1) You have your name to a Pontiac, Buick, GMC dealership business.

2) You probably got stamped with the some of the same stuff somewhere along the line. There's a legal out for you but not me? Does the 668-D form count as a contract too?

3) You are a man named Melissa? Did I read that right? I know what you said in an earlier thread to another member. *confusion* Fake name there too?



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by Hal9000
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If you aren't paying any income tax, then I suppose that you have also given up any luxuries that are paid for by those taxes? Do you avoid driving on highways and visiting national parks? Will you not cash your SS checks or accept any Medicare when the time comes?

If not then you are just stealing from the rest of us citizens who do pay for it.


If I buy gas I pay taxes that go to the highways!

If I put money in a parking meter I am paying a tax to the municipality.

If I buy groceries I am paying tax to the state.

Florida where I live has no State Income Tax.

Social Security is only paid based on what the individual paid into it. If you paid nothing into it, you get nothing out of it.

If you register a car, you pay a tax to the state.

I am against Government Health Care...and once again you are falling for the I am a slave you must be a slave to you are stealing from our Masters mentality.

I have to suffer submitting therefore if you don't submit I somehow must be injured by it. That's how they brainwash you and enslave you into the system.

All your Federal Taxes go to actually paying the interest on the debt the Government owes for fighting other people's war!

Wow I am so sorry my money doesn't pay for killing women and children.

I am soooooo ashamed!

Don't you have some cotton to pick?

Swing low sweet chariot coming for to carry me home!

Laugh out loud!



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by EnlightenUp
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Three issues then.

1) You have your name to a Pontiac, Buick, GMC dealership business.

2) You probably got stamped with the some of the same stuff somewhere along the line. There's a legal out for you but not me? Does the 668-D form count as a contract too?

3) You are a man named Melissa? Did I read that right? I know what you said in an earlier thread to another member. *confusion* Fake name there too?


That was to my employer, the comptroller it was addressed to is Cecelia.

I blacked out my name and address and social security when I scanned the document. I left Miami and the Zip Code in the Address Box.

Because the Notice to Garnish was sent to my Employer, the Release of Levy had to be also. The Employer information is on the left hand side, the personal information is on the right hand side, and yes that is a contract too.

But it is basically them telling specifically the same entities they told to Levy not to Levy me, a release of Levy.

It absolves and permits the employer to not comply with the original Levy.

The Contract is actually between the Corporate Entity and the IRS to act on the IRS's behalf. I just happen to be the "Tax Payer".

I have been working on getting out of my contractual obligation to the Corporation the State the Federal Government it's a process.

I am half in and half out. There are some good threads on ATS about this.

This is a great thread by another ATS Member that will explain a lot of this in detail to you.

Attention ATS Members! Know the Hidden Laws in America Before It's to Late

Many people are in fact skeptical about these things.

You do have to try them though for yourself to see if they work or not.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I have had some good success with these strategies though. There seems to be a lot of reality and truth to it.

I sure don't mean to come across flippant or arrogant but it really is like people want to be enslaved. They complain about how tough the government is on them and life is, but they don't actually want to chance trying to stand up for themselves at the same time.

You see how quick people come out to try to shoot you down and make you seem like your some kind of terrible person and in reality all I am ever trying to do is to get the Government to abide by the Constitution.

The constitution allowed for States to Tax not the Federal Government only in time of war as an emergency.

No War no Tax and it has to actually be a War declared by congress, right now none of the Wars we are in are legally declared ones by Congress but carried out by unconstitutional Presidential decree.

All I am guilty of is knowing my rights and how they work the system in violation of the Constitution.

For people who don't care about the Constitution. Do it the Corporate Government Way but for the few people who dare to be Americans its silly to criticize us for daring to be free.

That's what is kind of happening, bad Protoplasmic Traveler standing up for himself, taking the risk and demanding his rights and getting them! Who does he think he is.

I think I am me, a sovereign human being.



[edit on 13/8/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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Partisanship = divide and conquer. Get the American people to root for their "team" (Dem or Rep) like a bunch of drunken, hooting sportsfans while the banksters, the military-industrial complex, and other various leeches and lizards syphon money from our pockets. They are drinking our freaking milkshake, people, and to them it doesn't matter whether a Dem or a Rep sits in the so-called "halls of power." Congress and the party leadsers can bicker all they want and Goldman Sachs still hands out record bonuses in a bona-fide depression.

Partisanship will be the death of America. It doesn't matter one whit whether the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right sits in the oval office. Grasp this and you will be one step closer to the truth.





posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Now I remember you mentioning the go-between with the employer.

No, it's not about being "bad" or anything. It's about when one talks about this stuff, be prepared for tons of questions. I know I would be.

Since this country, as I have come to understand, has more laws and perhaps even pages of laws on the books, than any other country on earth, it is nearly impossible to know with reasonable confidence how to navigate the system. It's so bad that ignorance of the law really is an excuse. You mentioned the judge in your proceeding had to scan law books. They're paid and educated to know and still don't know. I guess we "citizens" are expected to know more about it than the so-called experts.

Obviously in that way it's rigged. No question about it.



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