Why Is Just Producing A Birth Certificate So Difficult?

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I have to totally agree with this article! I know that the country is divided on this issue, the name calling from the left has gotten out of control and to make this out to be a racist issue or concern is so outrages! This would be such an easy thing to prove, simply provide a U.S. copy that appears like the photo above as I have to when trying to get a drivers liences and at the SSA. Why is this so hard for Obama to provide? Why is it locked up under a court order and why is his student visa and school transcripts also protected under the same court order? I would really like to know, it doesn't make me a racist or a hater or a nutjob. I just want the truth!

The only time it gets complicated is when its not there ...

reply to post by Bldrvgr

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I hear ya, I personally think this is a distraction put into play by TPTB to keep our country divided knowing how sensitive we are in regards to anything involving RACE. While the public is fighting the black/white war on race, they "TPTB" continue to pass laws, bills and acts that continue to distroy the US Constitution and the American Bill of Rights. I prey everyday that we would stop fighting over these stupid issues, join together and concentrate on removing/replace every one of these politicians from office with leaders that will return America back to it's people.

Obama's reticence might be because white Presidents aren't routinely required to produce theirs ?

reply to post by Ulala

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I am sure if anyone wanted any former President to produce a birth certificate then they would have within a reasonable time. How come everytime some minority doesnt want to do something they pull out some lame racial excuse of why they are above doing it?

reply to post by Rams59lb

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Why is the burden of proof on Obama? He is the accused in this scenario. The state of Hawaii confirmed his birth, the FEC declared him eligible, and the Supreme Court has declined to take this case, thus validating what the state of Hawaii and the FEC had competently declared.

[edit on 3-8-2009 by Aggie Man]

Because he can't get one from Hawaii. Nobody can.

Don't know how many times this has to be brought up on ATS, but here goes:



hawaii.gov




Honolulu Star Bulletin

There is your answer. No need to keep asking for something that he literally cannot produce.




EDIT to fix quote.

Also, I will not call you racist, or a 'birther', or any other silly names. The evidence is all there, if you choose to ignore it than you are simply ignorant. No need to resort to name-calling.

[edit on 3-8-2009 by drwizardphd]

Even if it was to shut everyone up, i can't see why he just can't show everyone and be done with it?

Someone who wanted to concentrate on more important issues would have done so a long time ago.

Someone (i think it was one of the mods) posted on another thread about it being private, liking it to asking you of your SS number and you refusing.

Thats fine, but if it was believed that you were involved in some kind of crime or deceptive act, i bet you'd have no say in whether you wanted to give your SS number up or not.

CX.

reply to post by Ulala

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Your point is not valid as it is a proven case that John McCain did have to provide his and all U.S. elected official has to show theirs but do it because they have it easily available. I guess Obama does't but again I don't care about this issue! I care that we come together to remove them all to be replaced with black/white people who will restore all that has been wronged! I know I am living in fantasy land lol.

reply to post by Aggie Man

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Because he should have to show what we are all expected to show and every elected president has had to show before him. They all showed theirs because it wasn't a problem for them. But again this is keeping us divided and if only we could stop the division and join together we could bring this country back to being a better place. Keep fighting, your playing right into what TPTB want. Your all such Sheeple.

So are YOU the one who decides who should and what's expected? So far, it appears that Obama has done everything LAWFULLY. So are you saying that the law doesn't matter because you want....

Oh, BTW, I don't appreciate being called sheeple, just because I don't share your views...I'm sure somewhere in the T&C there is something that mentions name calling!

Because it still wouldnt' be enough, it wouldn't even be enough for the birthers to have the actual long form in their hands. It would still be declared a fake, why? Because they want it to be.

No other president was held up to such a high standard when it comes to this BC non-sense, So why should Obama?

reply to post by Aggie Man

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*snip*

Your missing the point once again! I'm asking you! Who makes the rules that you have to show your BC like the photo above when applying for a DL? I didn't make that law or rule, our gov did so it is only right that he provide the same! Stick to the point. It's not about RACE, it's about division and your playing right into it. you don't have to agree with my view but if you don't that does make you a follower and not a leader I.E. *snip*


Mod Edit: Civility And Decorum Are Required on AboveTopSecret.com

[edit on 3-8-2009 by DontTreadOnMe]

reply to post by Uniceft17

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It has never been an issue before prior to this President because we all know that they were all U.S. citizens. If it did come into question they would have no problem showing one like the photo above like you and I would have to show. As I've said before! this is a highly emotional topic based solely on race in order to keep this country divided and people are all playing right into it. Keep focused and remove THEM ALL!

Where did I make this about race? As I stated above: ""The state of Hawaii confirmed his birth, the FEC declared him eligible, and the Supreme Court has declined to take this case.

I believe that a sufficient number of people who matter and who's authority matters have ruled on this issue long ago...AND you can bet that those people saw the BC and confirmed it's authenticity.

[edit on 3-8-2009 by Aggie Man]

BTW, the arguement that "Birthers" wouldn't believe it if he actually showed his BC that looks exactly like the photo posted above is mute!

Let's just say he did release his actual BC that appears clearly to be like the photo above, the numbers are inline with the order of birth and it list the hospital and has a dr. signiture and so on. Those who are simply looking for the truth being blended in with "Birthers" would stand by it and the "Birthers" would lose momentum burying this issue.

But again TPTB want this division as they secretly pass laws, bills and acts taking more of our rights away. I know this! We will join together once we are all rounded up and find a common ground.

reply to post by Rams59lb

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Because at the end of the day it will not end the various conspiracies him, it will just be meeting the demands of afew angry rightwingers who want the president to "heed their demands" and ofcourse it wont change the minds of birthers who just want to believe his presidency is invalid.

Both the birthers and others know this to be true, yet they continue to play the fool just to get their way. Thats not going to happen. Obama has already ran the campaign for the presidency and has already proven sufficiently. His not obligated to prove anything further.

Whether you like it or not, whether your satisfied with what his shown or not, he will be legally and constitutionally you president for the 3 years to come.

SG

[edit on 3-8-2009 by Southern Guardian]

reply to post by Aggie Man

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NOBODY saw his BC like the photo above, Nancy Palosi sighned off on his legal right to run and be placed into office. That is why I've said replace them all. Start fresh and I don't care if the new elected person is black/white/asian as long as they are not connected to lobbist, elite bankers and the puppet masters behind the curtian.

reply to post by Aggie Man

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NOBODY saw his BC like the photo above, Nancy Palosi sighned off on his legal right to run and be placed into office. That is why I've said replace them all. Start fresh and I don't care if the new elected person is black/white/asian as long as they are not connected to lobbist, elite bankers and the puppet masters behind the curtian.

"Aggie Man" Your constint threat of T&C are tiresome as you and I have debated on other threads of mine. If the shoe fits, wear it! If not then ignore the implication "sheeple".

[edit on 06/03/2009 by Rams59lb]