Lets shove some pills down your throat...

There is a time and place for drug free treatment and a time and place for drugs - from what you have written your husband needs medication - I too would not offer assistance if were unwilling to take what is prescribed..... his refusal to take the medication actually sounds like part of what is part of the problem - reconsider your position.

I stated this in several threads... anymore, doctors want to pump you full of drugs before they even have a diagnosis figured out...if nothing else to numb your mind and make you stop complaining. I had a neurologist tell me that I was experiencing migraines without the pain because I was seeing flashes of light in my eyes...he then proceeded to write me a scrip for pain meds...??? I commented to him that since I was having "migraines without the pain" what did I need with pain meds...he told me I was being difficult and he couldn't help me... I have argued many times with doctors about giving me crap I do NOT NEED! It is easier to take the poison they give you than to look for other remedies, but kudos to your husband and you for supporting him!!

I'm going to repost what I posted in the other thread about this...

I take anti depressants because I used to have severe depression and I am bi polar so I take meds for that too. I don't know why people say these drugs make them feel like a zombie because for me they make me able to do so much stuff and they don't make me feel weird at all. I feel weird as hell without them and without them I get extremely bad mental states and can't think about anything except my #ty childhood and war and stuff. I know, I know everyone says to let the past go but its not so easy for some people.

Plus I have a wife and a kid and have to get up for work everyday and I've tried not taking the meds and I can't cope with my problems without them. If I didn't take them I probably wouldn't be fit to raise a family, so for now I take 'em! No way in hell I'm giving my family up just so I don't have to take some meds! I'll continue to take them until I figure out how to cope without them, I've tried therapists and all kind of stuff and none of it works. I'm only in my mid twenties though so I'm sure I'll figure out how to cope someday.

But I personally think a lot of people who take these meds don't even need them. They go through a slight depression and think they need meds when most the time all they really need to do is talk to someone or change their lifestyle.

my second post....

Yeah thats what I was kind of trying to say at the end of my post. There are many people who take these meds and don't need them, but there are also many people who could truly benefit from them. The way I look at prescription drugs is none of them are really "bad" (except oxycontin and stuff, do we really need prescription heroin?) but they become "bad" when they get in the wrong peoples hands, which happens way to often. For instance I have friends who have just minor anxiety and they go and get stuff like xanax or other benzos prescribed and now these people are pretty much addicts and can't live without the drug when they didn't even need it in the first place! Its sad. I know you can turn that around after reading my last post and say I appear to not be able to live without them either, but I literally can't! I have been through so much # in the past 10 years of life and all the way til last year I was against taking meds and I tried therapists and alternative medicine for about 5 years until I started taking meds. Nothing has worked except the meds, I hope oneday I can figure somethng out because I don't really like taking meds!

Also a lot of people talk about how bad meds are and stuff (atleast some people I know) but then they'll go smoke pot and stuff, I find it funny! and I'm not anti pot, I'm all for medical marijuana and stuff, I live in CA and its legal here and it helps many people. But I still find it funny, because pot is still a drug and messes with your brain. Although pot is probably much better for you than a lot of meds, I know that.

Anyways I'm ranting, sorry lol.

Peace


[edit on 3-8-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

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Love your post and I read it on the thread you raised, and posted a link to my thread as well. Thanks

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Some years ago, I took antidepressants for a little while. Now, I agree that they may be beneficial to some and I do not judge anyone for taking any kind of meds...I however did not like the way they made me feel. I have always cried to relieve stress, when I am happy, sometimes for no reason other than I wanted to...while on the meds, I couldn't cry...I didn't like it...I am happy that they are helping you!

Originally posted by Greenize
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Some years ago, I took antidepressants for a little while. Now, I agree that they may be beneficial to some and I do not judge anyone for taking any kind of meds...I however did not like the way they made me feel. I have always cried to relieve stress, when I am happy, sometimes for no reason other than I wanted to...while on the meds, I couldn't cry...I didn't like it...I am happy that they are helping you!

Yeah I know what you mean.. Also I personally don't like taking these drugs but they are all that helps at the moment. I know for some people meditation and alternative medicine and stuff works but I tried all that for years and none of it worked. Oneday I hope t find a way to cope without the drugs because I don't like taking them either!

And to The_Seeker I hope you and your husband can figure everything out. There are many different therapies and alternative ways to deal with anxiety/depression there are lots of good resources on the net for this. They didn't work for me but hopefully they will for your husband. But also I am pretty poor and admit I couldn't really afford to go a professional, most the techniques I tried I did them myself, maybe they would have worked better if I went to a professional.. My thoughts and prayers are with you guys!

Peace



[edit on 4-8-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

I'm really sorry your husband is going through so much trouble. I hope he and you can find some good solutions to this.

Unfortunately, drugs are considered the "treatment of choice" for many types of psychological problem, including depression and PTSD. The reason has much to do with money. Antidepressants will give a good result in most people, after a few weeks. Sometimes the first drug doesn't work and they have to try a different one. Each time they change, it may take weeks for the new drug to work, so it can take months to finally find the drug that works. But from what I've read, good results can be had in 90% or more of patients. Drugs can get someone back on his feet and working again within weeks or months.

But "works" is a relative term. All the drugs do is relieve the symptoms. Whatever underlying psychological problems may have led to the symptoms in the first place remain. Trying to deal with the underlying causes often requires a long, drawn-out, and expensive course of talking therapy. Many insurers simply refuse to pay for that.

Drugs are cheap. Even the costliest new psychological drug out there is cheaper than ongoing therapy. Many older drugs, such as Prozac, have generic versions that make them even cheaper. Therapy is expensive, as I said. If it works at all, it is much slower. And it doesn't have such a high "recovery" rate as drugs do. Another issue is that some researchers think that once the brain's chemistry goes awry (and the person becomes depressed), then talk therapy can't fix it - drugs are necessary. I would not be surprised to find that these researchers were funded by drug companies, but I don't have any evidence to that effect. Still, it does seem very convenient for Big Pharma.

I've been on both sides of this issue. I've had some extremely debilitating bouts of depression that left me unable to function at all - unable even to feed myself. During the worst I wound up weighing around 125 pounds. For that one I had no treatment; it took me years to get back to something like "normal". For other bouts, I've taken the meds and in many cases they worked. After a while on them I'd usually stop, and I could go along for years without problems.

The last couple of times, the meds haven't worked. Trying to tell these guys I don't want them has been difficult. They tend to view such talk as a symptom of my problems, and not as a legitimate decision about my health. Fortunately, I am in an arrangement where I get the therapy, even if I don't take the drugs.

I hope your husband is able to find something similar that works for him. Meditation is actually an excellent start. Whatever else is going on, it can be very helpful to sit quietly and to relax for a while. If he needs it, I hope he is also able to find someone willing to treat him without requiring drugs, if he really doesn't want them. This should be an option, not a requirement.

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No, and it is a good thing he is not seeing that doctor any more. He sounds like a major quack who shouldn't be practicing. If your hubby really wanted to see that doctor though, he could have lied and claimed he was taking the drugs. I would want to see the doctor's face when he showed him all three drugs he was taking though. I'm sure eventually the doctor would think he messed up your husband. I'm glad both of you are through with him.

The stuff that is going down, is it just drug related, or something we should all really be concerned about? I've been hearing about cops gone bad. A lot of drugs, rapes, the sex trade, kidnapping for who knows what. Is there actually things worse than this stuff happening?

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Yeah its happening. As I said, not a lot of it is reported on the media, for whatever their reasons.
There are good places, its the major cities that are turning to real dumps (thats not to say that the smaller towns dont have their problems). We moved, but we can still see it heading our way. Especially with the kids.. they want to be "gangsta" (is that how you say it?), and alllllll that comes with it. Not understanding the term , and they get into more and more trouble, then by the time its realized... well its just too late.
In fact it looks like crime has taken on a whole new agenda...
I recall one bit of info he talked to me about, it was regarding a serial killer that was on the loose, he was carry an armory with him apparently, and even thought they caught him, and it took them some time, it was not reported, and this guy was a major killer... There are more details but this should be sufficient to give you the gist of things.
But what I do also get is many a person trying to tell me that its not true cause its not on the media, people should wake up, media, as most of us here know, has its own agenda.
But Dont be scared just be wary....

As for corrupt cops, this is what hubby says.

Yes there are those that are corrupt, but that to him is a minority, it may not look like it, but it is. You can NOT put this issue down, in its entirety as being under the corruption umbrella.
The issue is, the lack of training that a lot of the new younger recruits get, and their "cotton swaddled life" that is getting them and the civilians into trouble. They do not have the skill sets required now days, to cope with what is being thrown their way. They do not have the mechanisms of the traditional police to deal with what is put on their plates.

But thanks for your comments, we will do fine I am sure, especially after seeing what others have been through in comparison to us. Not to take away from the issue or to make light of it, but it seems to be quite common. I spose it is just a case of sticking to our guns.... and hopefully someone listening.
As for the hubby lying, this may sound really corny and silly, but he just cant bring himself to do it. He has gotten a long why by telling the truth, and also again kicked about as well because of this. It would just be wrong! I understand what your saying, but, 2 wrongs dont meke it right.


[edit on 5-8-2009 by The_Seeker]

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Thank you for replying. Your husband has an honest heart. I believe God is working on mine. It has gotten much harder for me to lie anymore, except the smaller white lies. Even then those are disappearing.

I live out in a rural area. I would have to travel almost an hour to get to the nearest city. I'm next to a small town, and a close trip to visit some small farms. The corn crops are looking good around here. My daughters actually got to pet some horses through a fence the one time.

I really don't see the crime around here, but know it is invading slowly. The town I grew up in had it's first drive by shooting about three years ago. It is still fairly safe to walk around in still. Thankfully my kids don't know what a gangsta is as you put it. I think a part of not seeing the crime around here is keeping to ourselves, except a few friends from church and some of the friends my girls made at school.

Something got to me thinking about the whole pushing drugs down children as well as adults. It really is kind of scary when people are supposed to be weaned off many of those drugs that mess with the mind. What if something happened where those people could not get their drugs any longer especially in the cramped cities weather a very large bad batch of drugs being recalled to a crisis scenario. Does anyone else see a disaster waiting to happen?

If everybody had to cold-turkey off their Paxil all at once? Wow, i'd like to see that. From a safe distance, I mean.

I feel very badly for you and husband. Very sorry to hear of your troubles and I would like to thank your husband for his service.

i can vouch for EMDR. NO DRUGS AND IT WORKS!!! PLZ PLZ PLZ try it! It has helped me enormously fighting chronic pain from a spinal condition. Don't give up hope!

Update and need to rant due to anger....Sorry again if I am a bit all over the place.

Well we have had quite a few things go down over the last few months.
We had the police force attempt to kick him out based on "made up" information that they had given to various psych "reviewers" in a report.
One Psychiatrist, whom is supposed to be the final word on the matter has turned around with his report stating that Hubby is being difficult by not taking the tabs (that is one of the reasons he has issues and is seeing a regular Psychiatrist, he was stabbed with a needle and had to take the HIV drugs, which feel like death unto themselves, so now due to his sufferings on this drug, he doesnt trust drugs, among other things as well, Ie Another Dr that forgot what drugs they had prescribed Hubby, and then denied doing it, that gives us real confidence in taking these bloody things).
But this Psych Doc that was nominated by the Police force, asked him only a few questions and these were based around his family!! Go figure, WTF does that have to do with what the police force has put him through and done to him....
So we gets a report back form this Dr, which we are supposed to receive 14 days following the appointment, it arrived 6 weeks late, and there is only an allowance of 14 days to redress the issues brought up by this doctor, and he says in the report:

"That hubby is being difficult as he wont take the drugs that are prescribed him"
"He has relationship issues, not being able to hold one down (cause when the Dr asked him about his previous relationships, Hubby said that he never thought of marriage until he met me!) How does that constitute relationship issues!!!!!
Then he stated that Hubby had refused to see particular Dr's that have been recommended to him.....
Again this rests with the Insurance company to authorise, and the Insurance company has not authorised this, why is this Hubbies fault!!!!
Again this Dr has gone off the blatant lies that were falsely reported by the Police force, he has seen him once for half and hour, and he is supposed to know what is going on!!!
There are many other things that they addressed as well, but its all LIES... They couldnt even get right how he was injured in the first place, they gave a completely different scenario as to what really happened... again WTF!!! How the Frock are people supposed to cope with this pooh when you get nothing but lies.... God I am so very angry!
There is no justice left in this world anymore, and if things dont work out, its not their fault its ours. Where is the bloody JUSTICE!!!

I also forgot to add that the Psych had put in his report that he though Hubby was faking as he took to long to seek support.
Now the story behind this, which again he was not questioned on was as follows:
On identifying that he had issue with regards to panic attacks and severe depression, he sought help from his supervisors.
A meeting was organised with his managers and supers and he explained to them the issues that he was having and that he needed help, after which he just broke down crying, he was under extreme pressure.
This is what was said to him:

Firstly they laughed at him
Then they said "here is a box of tissues, grow up and be a man" That put him right off... He was ridiculed because he had a problem.

Originally posted by The_Seeker
My husband is a policeman. He has been doing this work for 20 years now, and is broken. He has suffered so much over the last 20 years that this was the last straw for him... He had been beaten, had his back kicked in, had his back hammered in, had his face torn off, been stabbed, has a bung hand through the fights he has had to deal with, and soooo much more that its just too long to list..
Over the last few years it seems that the violence has gotten more and more out of hand, and its not only the by standers that are suffering, but also, very seriously hurting our police men and women.
Not long ago, hubby was stabbed with a needle that contained blood, from this he had to have a lot of treatments and the drugs that were given to him nearly killed him as well. The drugs for HIV are lethal, they really stuff with you.. so much so that sometime hubby was not on the planet as such, I couldnt even touch him for fear that the slightest (and yes it would only be a feather touch) would bruise him, because of these drugs...
This was the straw that broke the camels back. He is so stressed and wound up that he is now a wreck, not only from what the drugs had done to him, but he was also suffering panic attacks and severe depression due to the lack of suppport that is NOT given to the Police men and women here in Australia, I am sorry, but they are treated like total and utter crap, the worst is that they get treated like this for constantly risking their lives, and much more. Its horrid to see... and it hard to deal with.
With this in mind, the Police Dept decided that perhaps it might be good to do something about this (YAY Finally), and he was sent to a Psychiatrist for help.
Great you say... well after a few sessions, and after hubby turned around and said I want nothing given to me that has to do with drugs, I am over them, I have issues with them, and will not take them....he was.. you guessed it.... given some anti-depressants, nothing outta the ordinary you say, well he was "given" these by the Doc, and it was 3 different types, when hubby questioned the Doc about this, he then "forgot" that he had "given" hubby these drugs and called him a liar.... Great Start.. Hubby starts to take them, then realises that he should read the instructions first.. they state that these drugs when complete "YOU MUST BE WEENED OFF THEM"... AGAIN GREAT....
So he stop straight away, goes to the Doc and says I really cant cope with these and they scare me.... Doc says take them.
Now Hubby has been going to said Doc for a few weeks now, and all that is done during these session is the Doc sits there and tells Hubby to talk.... Hubby is talking and Doc is offering nothing... for all of the session, apart from trying to make Hubby take these drugs, even after telling doc that he is scared and wants to try a natural way of doing things...
So whilst the Doc is not listening to him and his worries, and is offering NO advice on anyway to help Hubby, he then turns around and say, dont come back again, I cant help you..


So in other words, if you dont take the drugs we have given you then I wont help you!!! Why are drugs a remedy to everything!!!
WTF is with that..... Why do we have to take Anti-whatever drugs to fix our problems, why is no one willing to offer drug free support.....
People go to these guys for help, not for drugs (or in this case)........

THAT IS WHY,i always take the red pill

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hehehe damn it wish someone told me earlier...

That is how psychiatrists tend to treat... With medicine... What you want and your husband is asking for is called a psychologist. They try to treat psychological problems through therapy, talking and other non drug related methods...

Go find him a psychologist

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Its called an optic migraine. It is real, my mother and sister get them all the time. They are real.

www.allaboutvision.com...

No more drugs. Please do so some research into alternatives. Doctors aren't here to help.

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Would be nice, but its not him that gets to decide, its the Police Force and the insurance companies.. Sadly.