Lets shove some pills down your throat...

My husband is a policeman. He has been doing this work for 20 years now, and is broken. He has suffered so much over the last 20 years that this was the last straw for him... He had been beaten, had his back kicked in, had his back hammered in, had his face torn off, been stabbed, has a bung hand through the fights he has had to deal with, and soooo much more that its just too long to list..
Over the last few years it seems that the violence has gotten more and more out of hand, and its not only the by standers that are suffering, but also, very seriously hurting our police men and women.
Not long ago, hubby was stabbed with a needle that contained blood, from this he had to have a lot of treatments and the drugs that were given to him nearly killed him as well. The drugs for HIV are lethal, they really stuff with you.. so much so that sometime hubby was not on the planet as such, I couldnt even touch him for fear that the slightest (and yes it would only be a feather touch) would bruise him, because of these drugs...
This was the straw that broke the camels back. He is so stressed and wound up that he is now a wreck, not only from what the drugs had done to him, but he was also suffering panic attacks and severe depression due to the lack of suppport that is NOT given to the Police men and women here in Australia, I am sorry, but they are treated like total and utter crap, the worst is that they get treated like this for constantly risking their lives, and much more. Its horrid to see... and it hard to deal with.
With this in mind, the Police Dept decided that perhaps it might be good to do something about this (YAY Finally), and he was sent to a Psychiatrist for help.
Great you say... well after a few sessions, and after hubby turned around and said I want nothing given to me that has to do with drugs, I am over them, I have issues with them, and will not take them....he was.. you guessed it.... given some anti-depressants, nothing outta the ordinary you say, well he was "given" these by the Doc, and it was 3 different types, when hubby questioned the Doc about this, he then "forgot" that he had "given" hubby these drugs and called him a liar.... Great Start.. Hubby starts to take them, then realises that he should read the instructions first.. they state that these drugs when complete "YOU MUST BE WEENED OFF THEM"... AGAIN GREAT....
So he stop straight away, goes to the Doc and says I really cant cope with these and they scare me.... Doc says take them.
Now Hubby has been going to said Doc for a few weeks now, and all that is done during these session is the Doc sits there and tells Hubby to talk.... Hubby is talking and Doc is offering nothing... for all of the session, apart from trying to make Hubby take these drugs, even after telling doc that he is scared and wants to try a natural way of doing things...
So whilst the Doc is not listening to him and his worries, and is offering NO advice on anyway to help Hubby, he then turns around and say, dont come back again, I cant help you..


So in other words, if you dont take the drugs we have given you then I wont help you!!! Why are drugs a remedy to everything!!!
WTF is with that..... Why do we have to take Anti-whatever drugs to fix our problems, why is no one willing to offer drug free support.....
People go to these guys for help, not for drugs (or in this case)........

Why dont you find a non drug cure for diseases, or an equally effective non drug remedy for pain?

You could make billions, and your husband wouldnt have to get beat up anymore

reply to post by TheAftermath


Wouldnt know where to start. I have managed to get him into Meditation, and that does help somewhat.
But I was just shocked that they wouldnt treat him just because he didnt want to take the pills they gave him...

If pills were the most effective treatment, and he willingly chose not to take them, why should they try anything else if it wouldnt be as effective?

Ya drugs do not help solve anything when it comes to issues and problems.

However your assertion that violence has gotten worse in recent times is not very accurate.

Tell that to someone who lived during the Dark Ages.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I would have to say, only from my POV and Hubby, when he was on the streets, is that it is getting worse...... he was seeing it daily and nightly.... He would tell me a lot of scary pooh, and most of it is NOT reported on the News.

Look into EMDR no drugs. Eye movement Desensitization Reprocessing.

No hypnosis or altered state.

Here is a link.[www.healthyplace.com...]

Also a good counselor not psychotherapist is what he needs.

Praying for you and your family

Pax

I'd say Seekers assertion that violence has gotten worse is accurate?

We only have to keep up with the news to see that- more and more Australia is becoming like America- violence is on the increase whichever way you look at it.

Seeker, I hope your hubby gets better soon.

Thanks Paxnatus for the link, we will both be trying it out and thanks for the support.
Life Citizen, thanks as well. And as I said I get told stuff that goes on that is not even reported on in the Main Stream Media... and there is some serious SHEETTTTT! going down everywhere.

I'm sorry you and your hubby are going through this bad time.

I can understand both your husbands and the doctors side of the situation.

Your man has to already take so many meds that he is simply tired of drugs. I want to stop taking my meds quiet often myself.

The doctor won't treat him anymore because he won't try the drugs that may help him feel better.

Believe me when you need antidepressant drugs they go a long way in making life sweeter.

Why not compromise and take the prescribed drugs for 30 days. If they haven't helped then stop them.

My prayers are with you . Please take care of yourself too.

reply to post by dizziedame


Thanks for you suggestion, and he did start taking them, and stopped because of what the pros and cons said about them on the box and to boot the Doc couldn't even remember handing him the antis let alone remember that he gave hubby 3 different types (denying that he did), and couldn't remember what types they were... would you take them?

The therapist is most likely worried about a potential lawsuit if your husband doesn't take the meds and acts out in some way.

Second of all, as a retired psychiatric drug rep for GSK, I can assure you that exercise and sound nutrition are more effective than any antidepressant... the studies prove this. Antidepressants are comparable to placebo, except when dosed very, very high. If your husband has been on the meds for more than a month he should slowly titrate off the drug by lowering the dosage every three days until drug free. Coming off an antidepressant rapidly can evoke suicidal thoughts.

I would think a doctor so intent on pushing meds so aggressively is a poor choice for your husband...keep looking until you find a therapist your husband connects with a doctor/therapist with comparable ideas about therapy and medication. Remember it is all about the money...the drug companies create new medications for 'new' diseases they create to extend drug patents. Doctors benefit from keeping patients dependent on them for the most part. I hope your husband feels better....keep him busy, don't let him isolate himself, feed him healthy foods, lay off chemicals/alcohol/nicotine, and exercise. It might take a few weeks but I think he will come around.

i completly understand you.
first let me just say you are a wonderfull wife and a beautifull human being,i hope every woman was like you.
your husband need your love and support,he dosnt NEED ANY PILLS!!!
how is drugs going to help you beat depressian or sickness?by making you sleepy or like a zombie?
just get a small road trip in the woods,have a picknick.
take vitamins,drink lemon juice,get spirulina,and take a brake from the sress
AND NO PILLS

Damn,l sorry to hear about yuor husabnd..i truely hope and wish he does get bettter, phuysically as well as emotionaly!
MY grandfatehr was a pokiceman, WAY back, form like 1930's, retired in the mid 70's. He never saw so much trouble, as yuor hsuband has. Have you tried a 2nd opinon? I would.. My mom was misdiagnosed back in 2000..a doctor we knw, told her she had stress, midlife crissi issues..and told her to take ibuprofen..he went to a natural doctor, but all she id, was advise and talk her into herbs, teas. She got a 2nd opinion, at a hospitol,.l.the first doctor was a private MD..she had 4ths tage lung cancer.
A guy i worked wtih earlier this year, got into a car acident, and had ankle probems. Local hospitol tried to talk him into a $24,000 surgery..HE went to a foot doctor, and all he had, was a spranged ankle! $00 bill WITH if ankle suport. ALWAYS get a 2nd reliable source of information, especially if its someones health. Personally, ive learned to stay clear of private MD's.
If i can reccomend...thier Esiac tea, which is known for its healing pwer, if yuo wanan call it that. Not a cure, but it does elan yuor body up! Apricot and apple seeds coantin Cyanide..our bodys have enzymnes so e dont get posined..but they have been proven, the cyanide int he seeds, attack cancers, tumors, posibly pathogens...
I hope he didnt get HIV..rading about the blood taintted needle. As far as ive read, thiers MMS i think its called. Its regarded as snake oil, but the guy who made it claims testing it on 3 - 400 afrincas with aids, alsot were miraculously cured...its concentrated chlorine, you swallow drops throughout the day..but it will make yuo very nautious..itskinda of a lysol spray, yuor introducing to the bloodstream. Thier arnt really any actual claims though it does what it says..
hope he gets better! jsut tell him to fight, and keep thiking and feeling positive and strong

reply to post by The_Seeker

So in other words, if you dont take the drugs we have given you then I wont help you!!! Why are drugs a remedy to everything!!!
WTF is with that..... Why do we have to take Anti-whatever drugs to fix our problems, why is no one willing to offer drug free support.....
People go to these guys for help, not for drugs (or in this case)........

Autowrench:
Oh, my, can I agree with that one! I rolled over a semi truck in 1985, which pulled apart my spine and broke my neck in three places. For many years I went to doctor after doctor, specialist to specialist, and it was always the same, here is your narcotics, come back and see me in a month. Vicadon, Percocet, and even Methdone came easily into my hands, and when I got depressed and went to a physc, he gave me drugs that altered my mind.....Amatripoline, and several others I cannot remember the names of. I spent two years on my back, and nearly died twice from drug overdose, only my son was able to save my by calling for help. I finally threw the drugs away in disgust, and lived with a backache for 24 years. Then one day, after I moved to a different State, I was at the hospital getting a morphine shot for pain, something I had been doing a lot of, and I was complaining to the emergency room doc about the fact that the only real help I could get is drugs, and no doctor would address the problem. He listened to me, and set me up with a friend who is a neurosurgeon, and I finally got my back fixed.

It is entirely true that America is hooked on drugs. The area where I live is full of prescription drug addicts, and nothing is being done about it. I could still go to Pain Management and get anything I want, but what is the point? I believe the point is to keep us distracted by any means possible. Thanks for listening. Love and Light.

Originally posted by TheAftermath
Why dont you find a non drug cure for diseases, or an equally effective non drug remedy for pain?

You could make billions, and your husband wouldnt have to get beat up anymore

The answer is within yourself.

Just like the OP's husband.

There isn't always a way to get rid of the blues, but while you are down, you just HAVE to remember that things will get better.

That HAS to be your mind set. It will not cure your problems right away, but will make them go away quicker.

The_Seeker, maybe there's a little clause somewhere that allows them to withhold worker's comp. and other entitlements if they can claim your husband 'refused medical assistance offered to him' ?

As for psychiatrists on the Oz govt. payroll -- be wary. First, is the guy your husband is seeing a qualified psychiatrist -- did he gain a medical degree after which he gained a degree in psychiatry ? Or is he a TAFE certified 'mental health worker' or similar with little tack-ons from online uni ?

He 'forgot' giving your husband powerful drugs ? Hope you made a note of it, dated and detailed and hope you kept those bottles and whatever was in them.

Is your husband retired now, or on permanent sick-leave and if so, do you have to remain where you are ? Are you and he able to take an extended break in a country town for example .. do some fishing, some bushwalking, just simple things ? Does your husband have an interest in crafts .. woodworking, for example .. because according to informal reports, the comeraderie and absorption in the task can be very restorative. It will provide him with new mates, a place to heal, lots of laughs and support.

Your husband's strong (and so are you): he's survived stuff, both mentally and physically, that would have destroyed others. So, he already has what it takes to rebuild himself. He has it inside himself, independent of doctors and pills. He just needs the opportunity and time.

Frankly, I don't see the value in dragging up traumatic experiences. I know it fills up the hour from the mental-health professional's point of view, but what does it do for the patient ? Our bodies and minds were equipped to deal with life's worst, long before psychiatry/psychology were invented. If memories are supressed, then why meddle with the body's natural method of dealing with things ? What's the point of reliving them --it doesn't make them go away. Childbirth can be traumatic sometimes .. do we get women to 'relive' the experience and then hand them pills to 'deal with' the additional trauma of reliving an event that's past and can't be changed ? No. We even tell women that bad though childbirth may be .. they will 'forget it'. Doctors tell parents that their son will 'forget' the trauma of circumcision. Do psychiatrists instruct men to 'relive' their circumcision and then hand them pills to 'help them deal with it'? No again. It's there in their subconscious, where their minds stored it in order they would move on.

If left to his own devices, your husband will learn to flip a switch, if it hasn't already been automatically flipped by his natural defences -- and he'll consign traumatic events to the back room and move forward. Psychiatrists like digging .. then they check their watch and send the patient out into the world with all those ugly memories forefront in their minds, their nerves jangling and shot. But not before they've dragged out their prescription pads and fulfilled their obligations to the drug companies who send them on those freebie cruises and whose knicknacks adorn their desks. They try to create a dependency within the patient, in order he'll keep on turning up on their couch and keep taking those profitable drugs.

One last thing .. has your husband explored 'Calanetics' ? You can buy the DVDs on ebay now, after years of not being able to get them here in Australia. It's a strengthening method, comprised of small movements. The woman who 'invented' the method had been a dancer and was in very bad shape physically. She formulated the exercises and basically rebuilt herself. They make you very strong and can be done by the elderly, etc. and there are special ones that can be done by people with back and hip problems. You can buy the book quite cheaply in Oz on ebay if you'd prefer. It's about 20 years old now, and has all the instructions and photos. One thing though, if you buy the DVD, ask them for the original version. Then if your husband thinks the exercises are helping him, he might want to try some of the newer versions which seem to combine Pilates as well.

A change of pace and place .. country towns .. fishing .. walking .. driving around .. spending time together .. planning a new future --- that would do him a world more good than dragging up the past to some crank behind a desk who'll send him away feeling like a wreck and with a bagload of drugs. Your husband's done his bit. He's seen stuff that can't be changed, but he can turn the page or simply decide the rest of his life is a completely fresh book. You and he can do it together, far better than anyone else can help him. Best wishes to you both

reply to post by lostviking



Thanks. No we dont think he was worried about the law suits, after 20 years working on the Job my hubby can pick anyone, and this guy was only in it for the money. Rather sad really. This Doc was actually given to him by his work.Thanks for all your kind words and advice.. We will certainly take it all on board.

[edit on 3-8-2009 by The_Seeker]

reply to post by autowrench


Bless you and your son for getting through such a hard time.
It does make us stronger doesnt it.

reply to post by St Vaast


Yeah there are clauses out ther, and we are trying to be so careful.
As for how he got his certificate.. He is a clinical Doc, and then moved onto this work (from my understanding they cant do Psychiatry without a Dr degree)
And yes Daz certainly made a note of the Doc "forgetting" the drugs that were given, he didnt even write out a script for it, it was those type of drugs the Doc gets sent from the companies.. so that make us even more wary...
Yes he is strong, its horrid to see him suffering (not only with this, but the Insurance company has been messing with him for the last 2 years to boot).
He has taken up gardening, well what he can do anyways, and I have managed to get him into SOME meditation. Not a craft guy sorry But he does try to wander down to our War memorial here (he loves that place, and could prolly do the tours better than the guides)

Great analogy by the way, cause that is how we see it. We want to deal with it and do it the right way, not become dependent on something the world over thinks is ok, cause its not.


We have come across a friend that works on a Psychiatrist (she is a medical masseuse) that works with ex Vietnam Vets, and we have put in to try him out, as he seems to comes highly recommended... Fingers crossed.

Sorry had to cut things a bit short for the moment.

And thank you all so very much, there is a lot to think on, and a lot to research. You are all so very kind and we are both very grateful to all of you.

Bless you all xxx