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Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
Saddam DID NOT start Gulf War I. Saddam invaded Kuwait --
based on James Baker saying to him "the US has no policy on that."
Saddam lost Gulf War I. I really don't see how this ADDs to your first argument.
justify our starving the country or massacring 200,000 fleeing troops.
Saddam complied with the UN Cease Fire resolutions
The invasion of Iraq was illegal.
But the US has veto power in the UN and 6,000 nukes -- so nobody is going to get in the way of our Imperialism.
Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Glad you aren't aware of something called logic.
But it's ok, it's your choice live with your head in the sand..
Originally posted by Ownification
Do you really believe this guy is so bad that he shouldn't even have contact with co-prisoners?
Why do you act as if this guy has started a war against your GOD?It seems to me that Americans are worshiping America. The new GOD, don't disrespect its symbol hence the flag or you will get arrested.
Originally posted by Ownification
Read that and tell me if it makes sense to you. How the hell can an idea start a war against you?
Actually no one declared anything until you went and invaded a country, removed its government based on freaking suspicion that Osama bin Laden being involved in the 9/11 attacks.
Taliban asked for evidence, if evidence were to be provided they would hand Osama to the US.
So who started the war?
Originally posted by Ownification
Now let's examine the actions of the shoe bomber and the motives behind it.
Originally posted by truthtothemasses
Only idiots fear morons like Richard Reid.
I don't know you Flyer's fan but I can honestly say that I do not like you at all.
I can't respect people with an opinion that fears dying.
It seems that you suffer from a fear phobia ...
Originally posted by Ownification
I mean common more people die from drunk driving then terrorist attacks yearly.
Originally posted by truthtothemasses
Over 4,000 troops die in Iraq for absolutely nothing and people like flyersfan is okay with it.
I'll probably be banned again.
Originally posted by open_eyeballs
It is common practice in every new administartion, and it is well understood that it will happen.
They wish to highlight pieces of the puzzle to fit their agenda.
the OP is alluding to the fact she thinks Obama is letting terrorists plan terrorism in our own prisons or "plot Jihad". Therefore making Obama complicit in any future terrorist acts against the U.S.
In this new form of extremism people believe none of these individuals who have been taken into custody deserve a fair trial to determine there guilt or innocence.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
The Shoe Bomber is already convicted of attempted mass murder.
He has admitted his guilt as well. He's proud of it.
He hasn't given up Jihad.
As for the rest of your blah blah blah .... Wanting terrorists to be locked up and secure without any means of continuing the Jihad they have sworn to is not 'political extremism' no matter how you, and your agenda, try to paint it as such.
The Shoe Bomber is already convicted of attempted mass murder.
He has admitted his guilt as well. He's proud of it.
He hasn't given up Jihad.
Originally posted by open_eyeballs
I wasnt referring to the shoe bomber. I was referring to the accused "terrorists" ....
Your anti -American views that we should be holding people without trial in prisons outside the U.S. is sickening.
Possibly motivated by racial and religious hatred.
You dont have the gumption to adress the truth that my post goes into and calls you out on your crap.
hateful, spiteful people like you
Originally posted by truthtothemasses
We have the rule of law in this country where you are innocent until proven guilty.
When you label a person a "terrorist" you have already convicted that person.
Please stop the fear mongering, grow up, and leave Disneyland.
Holder wants these terrorists who are waging war against America put into civilian prison
Originally posted by Ownification
Originally posted by XTexan
reply to post by Ownification
Well he did, take a bomb on an airplane and try to blow it up... so ya I'd say he ranks up at the top of the worst that are in that prison...
Then shouldn't ex-President Bush be at number 1 rank? Due to the fact that in result of his policy more then a million innocent people have been killed?
Holder wants these terrorists who are waging war against America put into civilian prison
Your ugly agenda rears its head again. You wont win. your ideologies wont win. No matter how much venom you wish to spew..or regurgitate from your political Gods...
previously mentioned by you in other threads,
detaining anyone outside the U.S. without fair trial alluded by you in this thread.
Give up neo-con...Its over for you.
Originally posted by XTexan
Let him join general population if he wants, he'll be offed by the Aryan Nation in no time.
Ramzi Yousef and his three co-conspirators in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui; “Millennium bomber” Ahmed Ressam; “Dirty bomber” Jose Padilla; Wadih el-Hage, Osama Bin Laden’s personal secretary, convicted in the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombing that killed 247 people
No where in that post did I say anything about putting people in overseas prisons without trial.
So you are not only off topic, but obviously wrong.
Calm down and go take your meds ....
The only one regurgitating from their political gods is you.
Exposing the FACT that Obama is going easy on a convicted terrorist who has not denounced jihad against America is NOT 'spewing or regurgitating.
Other threads are not the topic ...
Are you drunk or something??
Originally posted by Ownification
Why does a rapist rape? Why does American Jets bomb my people? Why do American drones kill my cousins? Why do American missiles hit my brothers?
See if you connect the dots you would see all these actions are for self interest, have you ever heard of the American interest? I'm sure you have.
Now let's examine the actions of the shoe bomber and the motives behind it. A rapist rapes for self interest, the Jets that bomb countries are self interest but this man's motives were due to American atrocities around the world.
Now if you were smart you would connect the smaller dots which are farther away from the central dots. OK here is what the farther dots says if you connect them. It says due to the fact that America is a Democratic society, the civilians chose the government, since the freaking government which is responsible for many atrocities across the world is selected by the American people, it means in certain individuals heads that you are as responsible as your government.
It makes perfectly sense, every time America kills Muslims in their drone attacks, missiles or jets Muslims will kill Americans in response. No justice no Peace. You want Muslims to say 'ohh don't worry you just killed my brother, I don't mind'. Knowing the culture and values of Muslims why would America even step into this uncertain direction in the first place. Every time you kill a Muslim 20 of his/her relatives will come to haunt you.
The problem is you can't hide these days; you are not safe even in your country. If Americans believe that their wrong doings will go unpunished then they are way too over their heads, just like the Germans before WWII.
This thread isn't about Bush and his possible war crimes, though I agree legal action should be taken against Bush.
This thread is about a terrorist who tried to blow up a plane full of passengers, and he would have if he would have been smart enough to bring a lighter instead of matches. He has been proven guilty in the court of law. And as I said in an earlier post, if he wants to send mail let him. ALL mail going in and out of a prison is subject to being checked, and in his case it will be. Let him join general population if he wants, he'll be offed by the Aryan Nation in no time. Keeping him away from the rest of the inmates is for his protection.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
The Weather Underground never hurt anyone
Not for a lack of trying.
They wanted to.
They tried to.
They cost this country $$$ and they terrorized.
What are you .. some kind of Bill Ayers apologist?
If you want to be angry about something -- go for the real issues.
This is a real issue.
Yeah whatever.
This is kind of rhetorical nonsense. The Weather Underground purposely planned on empty buildings. They wanted things to cost money -- because that was what the Comfortable were enjoying from the Vietnam war. Fearing the one Liberal threat we've ever had make a few windows shatter has rationalized every fascist moron's wild fantasies for the past three decades.
A few people trying to stop clear cutting of wilderness slash some tires and put spikes in trees and the Right wing loves to get their flock all bent out of shape over that form of Terrorism. Ooh jeez, zero deaths -- run for the hills and support mountain top removal for coal mines! Maybe 100,000 people die an early death due to our use of Coal. Acceptable losses in modern society. We only seem to worry if no profit is attached. We don't look at real threats -- just the hype on the news.
The US supports all sorts of terrorism around the world -- like the Mech in Iran, which is blowing up real people and is aligned with Al Qaeda.
"Terrorism" is just a word. All war causes terror. It seems that today, it's just a synonym for people angry at the US and false flags.
I'm more likely to die of a cold than the Weather Underground or any terrorism. Well, as long as we keep spending more and more each year on the military.
"This is a real issue?" I think it's kind of pointless to discuss things with the people freaking out about Obama. If you didn't freak out about Bush -- then it's probably about white guys losing their place in the world.
No this isn't a real issue. If you are worried about terrorism -- then worry about the evangelizing of our troops who are returning home blooded and broken. Worry about the Birthers. Worry about these idiots disrupting town halls.
The racists are freaked out about Obama and they are screwing up real issues with fear and nonsense. They look like idiots -- and Health Care, ending the war and dealing with this financial armageddon -- well that will take a back seat to this circus.
And these damn NeoCon and Birther idiots are just the type to get violent. Rush Limbaugh and Fox News are whipping an army of fools into riot mode. On another thread here -- fear, fear and more fear until someone feels justified in defending themselves from their own shadow.
>> But I'm finding it's really pointless having these "debates" on the web. The people who don't get it never get it. And I don't really care about 90% of the responses people have to what I'm saying -- criticism from the clueless.