Hi ATS Watcher
No, the name is YE-HO-SHU-AH. If you really want to get technical.
Go on, roll it over your tongue a few times, it won't bite you...
The full name (totally unknown to American Fundamentalists today) being consistent with 1st century Rabbinical nomenclature-designations in
Palestine, viz. R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (these gangly titles were used to separate this particular Yehoshua from other Yehoshua's
running around)
Yehoshua (or Joshua) = Gk: Iesous from whence the Americans get 'Jeezuzz' or some such foreign pronunciation...
Bar - Aram. 'son of' (placed before the first name of a man's father)
Yosef - Aram. 'Joseph' ('may yahweh add to' [his seed])
the Galilean - from the Aramaic 'Ha GilGal Ha Goyim', meaning 'circle of Pagans' - denoting the area from whence he came---often the town from
where they originated is placed here in the nomenclature.
Nazir - meaning 'The Branch' (sometimes written in Aramaic as Nasi) from Zechariah 6:9 'Behold the Man, called the Nazir...he shall rebuild the
Temple of YHWH' used typically for members of the Daviddic line meaning a 'Descendant of David according to the Flesh", i.e. a kingly title of
sorts.
If you want to get REAL technical !
I take it by your rather confused comments that you are not fluent in Koine Greek or Galilean Aramaic...oh well, not too many American English
speaking 'bible believing' fundamentalists are. More's the pity, I say !
Maybe you did NOT know that: 'Yehoshua' is also expressed sometimes in English as 'Joshua' or even Yoshua or Yehsu'a or Yeshu if you like all
those fancy shortened forms (I've even seen it written as Isaiah if you want to allow a little fluidity with ancient Hebrew etymologies !) - the
meaning being roughly in all these cases 'Yah[weh] is my Salvation...'.
Now admittedly, nobody today (scholars, that is, who use little things like EVIDENCE to guide their belief system !) is quite sure if this was an
actual birth name or some sort of Messianic Title, (based on Exodus 23:21) considering the Tetragrammaton YHWH being used as the unpointed name for
post exilic clan god of Yisro'el and with the NT you have midrashic clues guiding the contents of all the stories being told: e.g. 'I shall place my
name in him' we could see the Hebrew Letter SHIN being added to the 4 letters of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) to form . Y H [Sh] W H =
'Yehoshuwah' - Hebrew has no written vowels, in case you didn't know...maybe you should think about taking a Hebrew class, and later something
along the lines of Galilean Aramaic, then maybe you can REALLY get technical !
Take a quick look at the writer of the 4th Gospel's sometimes revealing Greek in John 1:45 : (in English, if that's all you can read !)
'We have found the Messiah--Iesous, son of Yosef !"
These revealing Greek words placed into the mouth of Phillipos (thought to be one of the 12, Greek name or not) telling Nathaniel (whoever he was,
possibly another follower who went by the name of bar-Ptolomy?) by mentioning his fuller name.
It seems 'Yohanon the Elder' who apparently died in Ephesus 'at a great age' (i.e. around 92) may have been 'one of the 70' and had met this
Iesous person 'in the flesh'--at least Polycarp as an 17 year old claimed to have met this Yohanon 'a disciple of Iesous' when the old man was
over 91 'being carried into the room on a stretcher.'
Either way, the writer of this 4th canonical Nicene (barely) Approved 'Go
spel' in chapter 1:45 actually mentioned his name in a more correct format--but that is only if you want to get technical.
As for this Yohanon/Yonathan boy-toy looking up to Iesous as a child, the Greek terms and overall setting ('reclining at dinner' recalls Greek
philosophers 'reclining' with their boy-lovers) are curiously similar to the kind of language used in Plato's Symposium--but you would have to be
over 21 to be able to read all that racy man-boy-love !
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All that typing didn't proove his name isn't Yahoshua so you wasted time with babbling.
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Hi ATS Watcher
Go look up the word 'SHEWA' in a Hebrew-Aramaic lexicon if you can lay your hands on one . It might turn on a few lights for you...or maybe not ...
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no one has posted anything on this for a while but i wanted to make a point against deaf alien's "Scholar" argument. For centuries scholars
believed that the earth was flat it was until a few hundred years ago that scholars would say that the earth was round...just a thought to consider.
typically using smart peoples "opinion" do not always make the strongest agruements especially when there are scholars on the other side of the
argument.
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Simple answer.
Homosexuality is an abomination to God......end of subject....over...done...
You can twist all the weasle words you wish, it doesn't change the facts.
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reply to post by heliosprime
Better answer:
Homosexuality is an abomination to some.
What evidence is there of God's viewpoint? The Bible?
If so, what evidence is there that the Bible is God's word? Faith?
If so, does this mean faith equals facts?
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Hi Heliosprime.
I suppose if male homosexuality is TOQ'EBAH, i.e. ritually destestible to YHWH the clan-god of Israel, such as wearing cotton and linent together in
the same garment or cutting your forelocks (you CAN read paleo Hebrew can't you?) then what about female homosexuality being TOQ'EBAH? Cross
dressing is one thing, but what about females lying with females as with a male. I don't see that phrase in any of your contradictory copies of the
Torah floating around since antiquity (e.g. the Samaritan Pentateuch from around 480 BC, the Hebrew Vorlage Underlay to the Greek Septuaginta, or the
targums, or the various contradictory text copies found in Caves 1-11 at Qumran or the much much later pointed Masoretic text of that single MSS found
in Leningrad called the MT..nothing about female homosexuality being TOQ'EBAH there...
So I could just as easily say : IF YOU CUT YOUR FORELOCKS, or EAT A CHEESEBURGER ('you will not boil a goat in its mothers milk, it is ToQ'ebah !)
IT IS AN ABOMINATION...
What about DIVORCE? Didn't that sword weidling Rebbe on the hill say that DIVORCE was UNTHINKABLE, and tantamount to ADULTERY which was punishible by
STONING in those days? If you follow his words to the letter there will be alot of dead Christians laying the street killed by large rocks, it seems
to me..
Maybe you need to get out more (or learn to read Greek and Aramaic) !
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reply to post by Sigismundus
I grow so tired of the "stupidity" of the same old answers from those who have no understanding of scripture.
Matt 5:17,18
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Choose your own path to destruction from ignorance.
The law of God is unchanged. Point fingers and scoff, but all that you state is from ignorance not fact....
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Hi Heliosprime--
Maybe you need to take a paleoHebrew class and another one in Galilean Aramaic, and then one in Koine Greek so you can actually read the words and
ideas in which you profess to believe.
Right now, you're not in a position to discuss these matters when the best you can do is throw random quotes from the KJV on this thread that have
nothing to do with the discussion of post-Exilic Ritual Toq'ebah, which you have never even heard of.
It's never to late to learn new things...even Cato learned Greek at the ripe old age of 90 ! And be very very very very very careful of calling
persons on these discussion fora 'stupid'---this is against the policy of the ATS and I would warn you to avoid using such crass pejoratives in
future, if you would please, especially ad homines who are more conversant with this material in the original languages than you are at present.
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