posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 06:59 PM
Hi ATS Watcher
No, the name is YE-HO-SHU-AH. If you really want to get technical.
Go on, roll it over your tongue a few times, it won't bite you...
The full name (totally unknown to American Fundamentalists today) being consistent with 1st century Rabbinical nomenclature-designations in
Palestine, viz. R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (these gangly titles were used to separate this particular Yehoshua from other Yehoshua's
Yehoshua (or Joshua) = Gk: Iesous from whence the Americans get 'Jeezuzz' or some such foreign pronunciation...
Bar - Aram. 'son of' (placed before the first name of a man's father)
Yosef - Aram. 'Joseph' ('may yahweh add to' [his seed])
the Galilean - from the Aramaic 'Ha GilGal Ha Goyim', meaning 'circle of Pagans' - denoting the area from whence he came---often the town from
where they originated is placed here in the nomenclature.
Nazir - meaning 'The Branch' (sometimes written in Aramaic as Nasi) from Zechariah 6:9 'Behold the Man, called the Nazir...he shall rebuild the
Temple of YHWH' used typically for members of the Daviddic line meaning a 'Descendant of David according to the Flesh", i.e. a kingly title of
If you want to get REAL technical !
I take it by your rather confused comments that you are not fluent in Koine Greek or Galilean Aramaic...oh well, not too many American English
speaking 'bible believing' fundamentalists are. More's the pity, I say !
Maybe you did NOT know that: 'Yehoshua' is also expressed sometimes in English as 'Joshua' or even Yoshua or Yehsu'a or Yeshu if you like all
those fancy shortened forms (I've even seen it written as Isaiah if you want to allow a little fluidity with ancient Hebrew etymologies !) - the
meaning being roughly in all these cases 'Yah[weh] is my Salvation...'.
Now admittedly, nobody today (scholars, that is, who use little things like EVIDENCE to guide their belief system !) is quite sure if this was an
actual birth name or some sort of Messianic Title, (based on Exodus 23:21) considering the Tetragrammaton YHWH being used as the unpointed name for
post exilic clan god of Yisro'el and with the NT you have midrashic clues guiding the contents of all the stories being told: e.g. 'I shall place my
name in him' we could see the Hebrew Letter SHIN being added to the 4 letters of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH) to form . Y H [Sh] W H =
'Yehoshuwah' - Hebrew has no written vowels, in case you didn't know...maybe you should think about taking a Hebrew class, and later something
along the lines of Galilean Aramaic, then maybe you can REALLY get technical !
Take a quick look at the writer of the 4th Gospel's sometimes revealing Greek in John 1:45 : (in English, if that's all you can read !)
'We have found the Messiah--Iesous, son of Yosef !"
These revealing Greek words placed into the mouth of Phillipos (thought to be one of the 12, Greek name or not) telling Nathaniel (whoever he was,
possibly another follower who went by the name of bar-Ptolomy?) by mentioning his fuller name.
It seems 'Yohanon the Elder' who apparently died in Ephesus 'at a great age' (i.e. around 92) may have been 'one of the 70' and had met this
Iesous person 'in the flesh'--at least Polycarp as an 17 year old claimed to have met this Yohanon 'a disciple of Iesous' when the old man was
over 91 'being carried into the room on a stretcher.'
Either way, the writer of this 4th canonical Nicene (barely) Approved 'Go
spel' in chapter 1:45 actually mentioned his name in a more correct format--but that is only if you want to get technical.
As for this Yohanon/Yonathan boy-toy looking up to Iesous as a child, the Greek terms and overall setting ('reclining at dinner' recalls Greek
philosophers 'reclining' with their boy-lovers) are curiously similar to the kind of language used in Plato's Symposium--but you would have to be
over 21 to be able to read all that racy man-boy-love !