I was having an interesting discussiong with someone in ATS chat room the other day. He wasn't against homosexuality but after I told him that the
Bible never said that homosexuality was a sin, he showed me the verses Romans 1:26-27. I told him that it was in the context of ritual worship. He
brought up a good point. Even if it was in the context of pagan temple worship, it still shows that homosexuality was unnatural as a consequence.
Granted, it may show that homosexuality was wrong in some cases, but the wordings show that it is universally wrong.
Is it as simple as that?
Actually, no. It was only until recent (this century) was the verses actually used against homosexuality. I will not mention the other verses in the
Bible because they have been debunked throughoutly in other threads.
It appears that it was a recent conspiracy to sow discord and to turn people against homosexuals (among many, many others).
I will attempt to debunk that the verses of Romans 1:26-27 is against homosexuality in all cases
Here's the verses:
Romans 1:26-27 (King James Version)
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is
unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
(Courtesy of BibleGateway.com
Romans 1 is about Romans and shrine prostitution
The ancient custom of shrine prostitution, prevalent in first century Rome, forms the historical motif of the first chapter of Romans. Ancient
shrine prostitution is the most historically accurate explanation of Paul’s words in Romans chapter 1.
Non-gay Christians insist that Romans 1 must be interpreted apart from its first century historical context of shrine prostitution. This causes them
to misinterpret Paul's words, specifically the words, "against nature" as a universal condemnation of homosexuality, something Paul never intended
and never said.
You got to ask yourself this: why would Christians intentionally misinterpret Paul's words despite many scholars interpreting to the contrary? Is
this a part of the conspiracy? Or just plain ignorance? Who is really responsible for this?
Cybele was an ancient fertility goddess, called "the Protectress of Rome," whose pagan temple loomed over first century Rome from atop the
Palatine Hill. In Cybele’s temple, castrated Galli priests engaged in anal sex with men, in unholy worship of Cybele.
The religious situation Paul faced in first century Rome involved Romans and shrine prostitution.
It is getting clearer now. This is about pagan temple worship.
Jeremiah And the Psalmist On Romans And Shrine Prostitution
Paul’s argument about Romans and shrine prostitution contains clear inter-textual echoes from Psalm 106:20 and Jeremiah 2:11. These verses speak
of Gentile idolatry which drew Israel away from God. The context of Psalm 106 is lust, v. 14, and God giving sinful Israel what they want, v. 15. Then
comes the description to which Paul alludes in Romans 1.
“they changed their glory into the similitude of an ox... They forgat God their savior [did not like to retain God in their knowledge, Romans
...were mingled with the heathen... they served their idols... they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils [Molech worship], And shed
innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan [Molech worship, Leviticus
18:21]” Psalm 106:20-38.
“Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory [changed the glory, Romans 1:23], for that which
doth not profit.” Jeremiah 2:11.
So now it's about forgetting their "true God" and worshipping the idols.
I know this picture is familiar to many of you.
This is a picture of idolators worshipping the image of Molech in a grove.
“...because they have made their groves, provoking the LORD to anger. And he shall give Israel up because of the sins of Jereboam, who did sin,
and who made Israel to sin...
For they also built them high places, and images, and groves, on every high hill, and under every green tree. And there were also sodomites,
[qadesh, shrine prostitutes], in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children
of Israel.” I Kings 14:15-24.
“Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye
offered to me slain beasts and sacifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your
god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them...” Acts 7:42-43.
Getting clearer now?
One last point, but not the least, let's talk about the leading antigay apologist of our time.
The leading antigay apologist of our time, Dr. Robert Gagnon, cites Philo, 20 BC-AD 50, to support his assertion that male cult prostitutes
(shrine prostitutes) were well known to first century Jews, although, in Gagnon’s opinion Paul did not primarily have shrine prostitution in mind in
Allright, let's recap:
The primary focus of Paul’s condemnation in Romans 1 is the illicit sexual practice of shrine prostitution, the same illicit sexual practice in
worship of the fertility goddess, which is condemned throughout the Old Testament. Thus, Paul's argument in Romans 1, against shrine prostitution, is
consistent with the Biblical witness.
Now to his assertion:
Remember that Dr. Gagnon is adamantly anti-gay, Yet, in a section of his book headed "Homosexual Cult Prostitution in Israel," Dr. Gagnon makes the
following points about shrine prostitutes.
As you read keep in mind that this summary from The Bible And Homosexual Practice, represents the scholarly viewpoint of Dr. Robert Gagnon, the most
anti-gay evangelical of the twenty first century.
Although it was not his intention, I believe Dr. Gagnon's list strongly supports our contention that shrine prostitution best fits the Biblical and
historical context of Paul's argument in Romans 1.
Dr. Gagnon Affirms Shrine Prostitution As A Major Factor
1. There is good evidence that homosexual cult prostitution existed in Israel, Gagnon, p. 100.
2. The words qedesim and qades refer to men at pagan temples who engaged in male-male, religious prostitution, Gagnon, p. 101.
3. It was the function of the qedesim to offer their bodies to pagan male worshippers for sex, Gagnon, p. 102.
4. I Kings 14:24 links the abominations-toebah, of Israel and Judah, to the abominations of the nations God expelled from the land of Israel.
These abominations particularly single out male-male sex in worship of the ancient fertility gods, Gagnon, p. 103.
5. The existence of assinu, kugarru and kuluu, castrated male worshippers of the fertility goddess, is good evidence that male-male cult prostitution
existed in the ancient near east, Gagnon, p. 104.
6. God’s use of the epithet “dog” in Deuteronomy 23:18, to describe cult prostitutes, reveals His revulsion for same sex religious prostitution,
Gagnon, p. 104.
7. King Josiah’s forceful action to eradicate the qedesim must have been directly related to Moses’ law in Deuteronomy 23:18, concerning
qedesim-dogs, Gagnon, p. 106.
8. The author of Job 36:14 viewed the qedesim as male cult, shrine, temple prostitutes, Gagnon, p. 108.
9. That cult prostitutes were religious in nature is implied by their name, which means holy or consecrated ones and by their connection to Asherah.
The prostitution aspect is clear from Deuteronomy 23:18. They were paid for services they provided and they are identified as harlots, in other
Biblical passages, Gagnon, p. 108.
I am very sorry for this LONG thread. I will add more and add my commentaries as we continue to discuss.
It should be clear by now that the chapter is about idolatry and pagan worship.
This is my first LONG thread
I need more practice.
I will discuss the meaning of the phrase "changed what was natural into that which is against nature" later.
[edit on 22-7-2009 by Deaf Alien]