Originally posted by VitalOverdose
reply to post by rich23
Ive seen Bruce do some very impressive stuff myself when i was learning Wing Chun. But im pretty convinced some of what he does is part trickery and
part hypnosis suggestion.
Ok. I've seen Derren Brown (it's on YouTube somewhere but I can't be bothered to find it now) knock someone over with a non-contact punch. He
says what he does is all trickery. I'm not sure he knows where trickery ends and actual chi manipulaton begins.
And hypnosis... again, we have no science of consciousness in the West. Hypnosis, the placebo effect, psychosomatic: these are all terms to do with
mind-body interaction that we bandy about, but they explain away
, they don't really offer any understanding when you look at them closely.
Remeber, I didn't find out that the brain and spine element in chi gung is metal until much later, probably about 2006 IIRC. That rules out
suggestion as far as I'm concerned.
Frankly, I'm surprised you think Bruce would resort to trickery.
How much did you have to pay to pay for this week away if you don't mind me asking?
It was in 2000 and it was probably around 900 bucks, for which I got full board, a shared room, and two instructors apart from Bruce who were
constantly checking my alignments and massaging me. It was an absolutely superb experience I'd recommend to anyone, and I think it was damn good
Ok, I'm just going to tell you the thing that made me absolutely certain that chi exists, but if you've seen the chi gung master video and still
don't think it can be real, then you probably won't believe me. Nonetheless, this happened, take it or leave it.
I used to work as a musician on cruise ships and would often find a shady spot on a beach or in a park to practice Wu form and standing chi gung. One
night I wound up back in the DJ's cabin and he and his cabin mate asked me what all that was about. I'd just opened my mouth to explain when Steve,
(the cabin mate and one of the entertainment cast) jumped up and said, "I'll show you your third eye!" and came over and pushed his thumb rather
hard into the centre of my forehead. He pulled it away and said, "can you feel that?" By this time I'd managed to be able to feel my upper
a bit, and this clearly was just a physical sensation, so I made basically non-commital noises.
We were all pretty drunk at this point.
Darren (the DJ) was lying on the top bunk and so I said, ok, I'm going to try something. I have absolutely no idea what, if anything, will happen.
It might be nothing. I then assumed the correct standing posture and extended my right arm so that my index fingertip was touching Darren's forehead
in the same place Steve had tried to affect. I tried to open my shoulder, elbow and writst joints and then I just closed my eyes and relaxed.
I stood for probably 60 to 90 seconds (maybe less, I don't know) but then something very odd happened. I felt what I can only describe as a weird
squirting sensation in two distinct places: the centre of the first joint of that finger, and the centre of the fingertip bone about 3 or 4 mm beneath
the skin. It was kind of like the sensation of flow you get when you're having a wee, but very brief.
Now I'm absolutely certain that I made no external move when that happened. But Darren did. He jerked his head back and said, "****ing hell!"
Steve and I tried to get him to say what had happened, but we actually don't really have words for this stuff in the West. All he could say was,
"it felt like the back of my head came off".
No, I couldn't reproduce it, and I wouldn't try, particularly in view of the fact that Bruce maintains that you shouldn't try dissolving exercises
within your brain unless under the close supervision of a really qualified master.
At this point, I'd been practising chi gung and t'ai chi because I'd seen what had happened to a close friend who'd really got into it, and had
really reaped benefits from it. I'd, up until then, been scrupulously agnostic. I'd done a chi gung course with my instructor in Brighton and
he'd been transmitting during that, but the sensations I'd had were kind of on the edge of perception and hadn't been enough to bring me off the
This experience forced me to re-evaluate, well, everything. I knew what I'd felt: I knew I'd given no external cue: and I knew that Darren had
reacted to something that had started inside my body.
My advice is find a good instructor and start doing chi gung for a few years. You'll have some sort of experience that will bring you off the fence
sooner or later, I would think.
[edit on 11-7-2009 by rich23]