Is The Christian God A Bit of A Psychopath?, page 1
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Topic started on 5-7-2009 @ 02:47 PM by Liberal1984
My own beliefs: Firstly I’ll say that I'm an individual, and that I follow my own individualistic beliefs (i.e. no part of any religion, for it’s own sake).
Yet Paranormal Evidence, and speculative reasoning, permit me (personally) to believe in things like: an afterlife, order out of chaos, the holy spirits, Reincarnation, and God “The Greater Right”.

Meanwhile the fact two of the world’s most open minded (and intelligent people) can have completely different views on a simple question like “Is the death penalty ever right?” Confirms to me of the inability of any human to truly know anything at all.
After all there is always a (distant) possibility that you and me are in an asylum for the chronically delusional, or were born inside a computer matrix, or that reality is in some other way a delusion. The chances of all (or any) of this may be incredibly small, but the fact the chance can’t be completely eliminated by our understanding shows that not only are we incapable of truly knowing anything, but that this incapability can also only increase with any extra uncertainty provided in questions, beyond things like: “am I:” “Alive or dead?” “Sane or Insane?”

But…

I’ve long questioned whether the Christian God (taught to you from the bible) is a psychopath? The first reason is this…

1.
If you had a next door neighbour who…
a. Rejected Christ & Religion
b. Was truly guilty of burgling a family home
c. And was without compassion or remorse for his crimes

Would you be right to go into his home, drag him into the back garden, then douse his body in petrol (head to toe) and set fire to him for say 3 minutes? Or maybe 6 minutes? Or 12? Or how about 999999999999999999999999999999999r9 minutes?

What Would You Achieve?
1. Would you teach his consciousness the differences between right or wrong?
2. Would you comfort his family (who in Christianity could well be perfectly great people?)
3. Would you achieve anything that’s tangible in this world if he had already died of natural causes?
4. Would you achieve anything that’s tangible (or worth having) in the afterlife? What would this be? Is e.g. heaven say powered by the screams of the suffering? If so why and how?

Imagine (hypothetically for a minute) if it was Jehovah, and not his son who temporarily came to earth with the powers of just as a man. Would he be a national leader, or another vigil anti who is sent to a person for the criminally insane?

Dear Christians; so surely mankind’s justice-correction system here on earth is devilish because it does not include execution (by slow) incineration on the books?
After all we can’t of course build heaven on earth, or follow God without error. But as followers of the Bible should we not at least aspire to follow God’s ways?

If God would (as a person) be sent to jail for dousing criminals in petrol, surely this prison punishment may be on path with the likes of crucifying his son?

2. Next Problem: The Two Path Afterlife System…
Catholics:
This doesn’t affect you, since some saint thought inventing Purgatory would be a good idea (I use the word “invent” for purgatory, because like many Catholic teachings it’s written nowhere in the bible).

But in the heaven and hell only system what happens when two people are on the brink of either heaven or hell? What exactly could be the “straw that breaks the camels back” E.g. ….
You have two people who killed their abusive lovers-partners for similar reasons. Both truly regret it, and say they accept Christ. Yet one regrets it more than the other, but the other also stole once or twice.
Therefore one will go inside the incinerator forever, whilst the other will dance in the endless gardens with the endless skies, forever as forever may be.

Is it just me, or is such small things accounting for infinitely wide, because they’re everlasting differences, a really messed up system?
Surely a designer of the universe would instead choose something like the reincarnation system (something there happens to be real world evidence for, in e.g. the hypnotic field known as “Regression”)

The Immoral Stupidity of Hell & Purgatory…
One problem with these entities (as separate reality plains, or dimensions) is it means god ends up enabling (brand new) soles to become things like e.g. battery chickens (or for those who doubt animals have soles) then he at least does it for the soles of newborn human babies born in e.g. times of famine, war, or possibly even Nazi style, extermination centres.
But all the time he could instead choose to use the soles of the sinful dead to fulfil roles of suffering on Earth. Given the nature of ignorance; this might not be entirely fair, but it would surely be a lot fairer than sending innocent soles of creatures-children into disrupted lives of doom & suffering?

Needless to say I believe in reincarnation as I wouldn’t expect much less from a-the designer of the universe. Perhaps then (not incidentally) there some good real world evidence for it
en.wikipedia.org...
To all the sceptics who wonder if this allows me to think “it’s ok to e.g. be cruel to animals”; then the answer is No!, as I believe by being cruel to a animal I will increase my chances of someday sharing it’s fate.
It’s the only way the system could (logically) balance out. If I truly regret my sins I will also accept the consequences, and if I don’t regret them, then I perhaps deserve other consequences as well, as this could at least spare the truly regretful some of my fate.

3.Third Problem: The Never-ending War Between God and Devil

According two the bible there are two “kings”, one of good and one of evil. These beings are very intelligent (far more intelligent than any man that walked the earth).
Yet they hate each other, and so far have spent the start of time fighting a war between one another.

Is it just me, or is there not something inheritably stupid (more stupid than mankind in fact) about fighting a war since the start of time?
Especially if it would be better for all if the war was replaced with a competition? This is because competition (unlike war) achieves something useful.
This is demonstrated by giving a class a exam, or the way capitalism works better than communism, or the way the qualifying team for football match achieves players of very a high physical ability (and or standards).

The competition would of course still be for the soles of men & creatures.
The Dark Side would think it’s good to tempt people (in life) to do things that are wrong, e.g. an animal sacrifice. As by doing this they prove-declare themselves much more worthy (than a brand new sole) of being a lab dog, battery chicken, or starving refugee on an Oxfam TV appeal (in the next life of course).

Followers of God on the other hand would try to encourage people into doing things that are good. This is because they know that good decision making reduces the need for suffering, as well as entitles people into the world of heaven.

The competition could still be never ending, at least as long as both the Dark Side and the Good hold the followers of the Dark Side in contempt (i.e. for being fallibly human-weak).
It would therefore fit in quite nicely with the idea in Christianity that the reason why the devil has a problem with God, is because he has a problem with man in heaven.

But it would still be a competition, not a war.

The fact the creature (apparently) prefers war over competition is (to me) just more evidence of him being a psychopath.

What do you think?

[edit on 090705 by Liberal1984]


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 03:14 PM by watchtheashes
Life was VERY VERY different for people back then. The only times He did do things which you would consider "evil" was when it was deserved and by the fault of man not Him. Back then think Atlantis. People lived alongside "alien and human hybrids." The aliens I refer to are the fallen angels and the Nephilim. Ever heard of Achilles? Nephilim blood. Illuminati? Nephilim blood. Descendants of Cain. Eve and Satan had sexual relations and thus God grew angry with her and put an enmity (hatred or rivalry) between the serpent seed and the seed of Eve. You must read that passage carefully to see who is really being put to mutual hatred. Not Adam and Eve. Satan and Eve first, then Adam "ate the fruit" afterward. So in a sense Satan made sexual desire look like a pathway to becoming like God. They were innocent and they did not know but still chose to disobey God for the desire of being like Him. Funny thing is they didn't know a curse until they fell from grace and all Creation was cursed with what we know today as "normality." Heat. Sweating. Water. Survival needs. Global warming in natural cycles, hectic weather patterns etc. This whole line of human history is to get us back to that stage when humanity was not fallen. It is a process to take many many many years but we're living in the End Times as we speak. Now it's all a matter on what we do to trigger the "Tribulations" Period.

EDIT: People also believe the Church lie of Heaven and Hell. If that were really so there would be no need for The End Times. The dead are conscious of nothing. You don't just go to heaven or hell when you die. All people go to Sheol and rest there. Then they will be judged after the Resurrection if they will learn the ways of the Lord during the 1000 years. So think of people who never knew the Teaching or Him. However those that are condemned already will not see eternal life. They put themselves where they are so they will put themselves into the Lake of Fire where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched EVER.

Trust in the Teachings of The Elohim and Yeshua His Christ (Messiah or anointed) not the twisted dogmas of men.



[edit on 7/5/2009 by watchtheashes]


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 03:40 PM by moocowman
reply to post by Comsence2075





Your entire argument, IMHO, is irrelavent. God is not a psychopath, people are psychopaths.


And people were made in the image of god so there you go. As jesus yahweh god is the (allegedly ) creator of everything then god is the creator of psychopathic behaviour.



No person living on this earth can really say what heaven or hell is like.


Of course not, because they are imaginary.



We will find out when we do. People have used these tools to put fear into the people.


So there you go, ideas made up to keep dumb people under control and women in the kitchen. 10/10 for observation



reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 03:42 PM by moocowman
reply to post by watchtheashes





Trust in the Teachings of The Elohim and Yeshua His Christ (Messiah or anointed) not the twisted dogmas of men.



Ahum, those teachings are the dogmas of men


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 03:44 PM by moocowman
reply to post by Comsence2075





I believe in God, but I don't believe in a lot of people.


Not to worry, because a lot of people believe in you .


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 06:53 PM by DeadFlagBlues
You mean the Abrahamic god?

Yeah. He's off his rocker.

Left, right, this, that, and not in an all encompassing way, either, more like Ed from Human Resources. Yeah, the guy who gives everybody a different answer for the same question.

Kill, don't kill, live and let live, kill, take life, don't take life..

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam can be summed up like this...



I'm reading the New Testament right now, as I couldn't quite understand the old testament and will wait until somebody can properly explain it to me. There is truth and beauty so far, but far outweighing that is clinical insanity.

This book in my honest opinion was written by men. Men who believed in fanciful tales only paralleled by Greek mythology as they could not reason as to why and what life is all about. Even then, rarely were people educated in a caste system (which is true until this day.. Look at India). Even within Judaism holy castes played a huge role in control of the masses and often the most "holy" of men were also the wealthiest. Men could say anything and as long as other people believed them, there was no fault.

Men being swallowed by fish and living within them for days, talking burning trees, parting seas with a stick, and an old man "Elijah" cursing 42 boys because they called him "bald" which ended in god sending two female bears that ripped the group of young children to pieces.


All ridiculous things that never happened. Not then. Not now. Not in a million years.

Though, It wouldn't be wise to just write off the bible as some collection of fairytales. This book is a compliation of very wise fables and some truths that I find very inspiring. So far Matthew has probably had the most profound effect on me, and while I'm reading, I get bored and I'll go back to it just to read over it because I think it is so powerful.





[edit on 5-7-2009 by DeadFlagBlues]


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 09:19 PM by Water-tastes-good
If you will notice Genesis, chapter 22:12

Abraham Tested

"Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

NIV Holy Bible

I don't believe the message was "God is psycho"

It may seem so at first but think about it. God opened Sarah's womb and made Isaac. Now, her only son was to be used as a burnt sacrifice to God.

Why sacrifice to God to even begin with? Why would he ask Abraham to kill his favorite son? Those are the questions you guys look at and say, "whoah, this God sucks."

Anyway, the moral is, Abraham is afraid of God. That's what God wanted. To me it would be the utimate test. True humility. I wouldn't even fathom the thought of killing my own son (if I had one and I do not like killing anything) yet Abraham was so scared of God, he would do whatever God asked. If God did open Sarah's womb to give birth to Isaac, he can surely open her womb again and give birth to another. And God is so powerful I'm sure if Abraham really killed Isaac, Isaac would be the first human to be resurrected from the dead. But, alas thank goodness God didn't really want Isaac as an offering.

So, is God really psycho? If he sent an Angel out and stopped Abraham from doing that, then no. If Abraham did kill Isaac, then yeah, God is psycho. But God is a loving God and if you read that chapter, you can honestly tell even God was surprised at Abraham.

As for destroying Sodom and Gomorrah,...

Honestly think about it.

How is it all the men in that town wanted to have sex with the two angels? Was it because they loved them? NO. Now doesn't that broaden God's ways a bit? He destroyed the towns because they were terribly evil. Would you guys be happy if you arrived in a new city and all the males wanted to stick their fishing rod up your creek? None of them had any feelings for you. They just wanted sex. Considering you are male of course. I have no idea about females but I could guess no because Lot's daughters were virgins. I know that love isn't a sin but if a man loves a man (I guess like true love) then I have no idea how God will judge them. I don't hate anyone although I will feel a tad bit uncomfortable if a guy came up and asked if he could sodomize my lower half. Gross!!! As for the killing part, I'm pretty sure God doesn't want us killing each other. I see it as this though, "If God can create, then he can also destroy". He gives you life, He most certainly can take it away. I doubt He kills anymore though because He loves his creations so much and it shows in the "New Testament".

Anyway, from what I've read in the Bible, I haven't found one verse that made me want to call God psycho. But, everyone sees different things and has different opinions. Anyway, have fun reading the rest. It does get pretty entertaining and has good messages. Anyway, God Bless guys.




[edit on 5-7-2009 by Water-tastes-good]


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 09:55 PM by randyvs
reply to post by Water-tastes-good

here here .and yes water does taste good, and must make for clear thinking.thats the message i get . no doubt fear can be a good thing. if you love your child, some fear instilled can be a good thing. they will listen
when you say don't go in the street. God must be to the point of the more fear the better.can't blame him. deny ignorance not Chirist.


reply posted on 6-7-2009 @ 01:50 AM by moocowman
reply to post by DeadFlagBlues





I'm reading the New Testament right now, as I couldn't quite understand the old testament and will wait until somebody can properly explain it to me.


Well there you go, doesn't that speak volumes , a god has a message for you, but you have to wait until somebody (a human) can properly explain it.

This is a joke my friend, who you gonna call ? Ghostbusters ?

Dude do yourself a favor, unless your going to use a bible to observe the contradictions errors and general BS, throw it in the bin.
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