Does BC/AD confirm the existence of Jesus Christ?, page 1
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Topic started on 5-7-2009 @ 09:51 AM by Udontknowme
I googled "when did we first start using AD", which means Anno Domini ("In the year of our Lord"), and found very little about it.

The best answer I could find was this;


The AD system was developed by a monk named Dionysius Exiguus (a Scythian) in Rome in 525, as an outcome of his work on calculating the date of Easter.

www2.answerbag.com...

So, I wonder, did someone in 525 believe in the story of Jesus, if he didn't exist?

Josephus Flavius mentioned him in 37AD.


"Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, was a native of Judea. He was born in 37 A. D., and was a contemporary of the Apostles. He was, for a time, Governor of Galilee, the province in which Christ lived and taught. He traversed every part of this province and visited the places where but a generation before Christ had performed his prodigies. He resided in Cana, the very city in which Christ is said to have wrought his first miracle. He mentions every noted personage of Palestine and describes every important event which occurred there during the first seventy years of the Christian era. But Christ was of too little consequence and his deeds too trivial to merit a line from this historian's pen." (Remsberg, Ibid.)

www.godlessgeeks.com...

And I found potential mention of Jesus and his Disciple in the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius in 167 A.C.E. Not sure what A.C.E. means, but is coincides with 167 A.D. so there is further proof that even Roman Emporers where basing their calender on the birth of Christ.

Here is what Aurelius said;


From Diognetus, not to busy myself about trifling things, and not to give credit to what was said by miracle-workers and jugglers about incantations and the driving away of daemons and such things

classics.mit.edu...

What was a miracle worker? Where did the word miracle come from?

How does the whole world agree that it is 2009 AD?


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 10:29 AM by open_eyeballs
reply to post by Udontknowme



So, I wonder, did someone in 525 believe in the story of Jesus, if he didn't exist?


There were millions of people who never even heard the words Jesus Christ. All through Asia, to Africa, to the Americas.

How does the whole world agree that it is 2009 AD?

It is called the most powerful man on earth at the time made the AD/ BC version of measuring and identifying time the commonly accepted form.

The most powerful man being head of the most powerul religion the world has ever seen was the Pope, by far.

edit: spelling

[edit on 5-7-2009 by open_eyeballs]


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 10:42 AM by Udontknowme
reply to post by open_eyeballs



Even BCE "before common era" coincides with the BC "before Christ" system

The Gregorian calendar, and the year numbering system associated with it, is the calendar system with the most widespread usage in the world today. For decades, it has been the unofficial global standard, recognized by international institutions such as the United Nations and the Universal Postal Union. It is also a basis of scholarly dating, though some people adopt the Common Era labels, retaining the same numeric values but using the label "CE" (Common Era) instead of "AD", and "BCE" (Before the Common Era) instead of "BC".

en.wikipedia.org...

The pope didn't adopt the calender until 1000 yrs after BC/AD was supposedly developed. Somehow, the farce managed to magically live on for 1000 yrs?


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 10:49 AM by Daniem
reply to post by Udontknowme




I see much more evidence towards the fact the Jesus did exist, as the bible said he did, than evidence proving he didn't exist.


No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people (just hearsay)



There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. There occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus.

That means that not a single historian, philosopher, scribe or follower who lived before or during the alleged time of Jesus ever mentions him! And this is supposed to be a man that gathered so many people, it was impossible to count them:



The gospels mention, countless times, the great multitude that followed Jesus and crowds of people who congregated to hear him. So crowded had some of these gatherings grown, that Luke 12:1 alleges that an "innumberable multitude of people... trode one upon another."

Luke 5:15 says that there grew "a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes came together to hear..." The persecution of Jesus in Jerusalem drew so much attention that all the chief priests and scribes, including the high priest Caiaphas, not only knew about him but helped in his alleged crucifixion. (see Matt 21:15-23, 26:3, Luke 19:47, 23:13).

The multitude of people thought of Jesus, not only as a teacher and a miracle healer, but a prophet (see Matt:14:5).




So here we have the gospels portraying Jesus as famous far and wide, a prophet and healer, with great multitudes of people who knew about him, including the greatest Jewish high priests and the Roman authorities of the area, and not one person records his existence during his lifetime?

If the poor, the rich, the rulers, the highest priests, and the scribes knew about Jesus, who would not have heard of him?



I wouldnt believe this even if i wanted to, lol. Its just rumors and hearsay thats most likely untrue or blowned out of proportion to the extreme.

[edit on 5-7-2009 by Daniem]


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 10:55 AM by Daniem
reply to post by Essan





The whole BC/AD system is just a convenient convention


Heheh yeah, it would be kinda weird saying we're in the year 4,5 billion, or worse, the year 14 billion


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 10:59 AM by Essan
reply to post by Daniem



Actually it's year 4,607,003,567. Although some maverick geologists claim it's really year 4,607,002,885. But they can't prove it


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 11:20 AM by ChemBreather
Originally posted by open_eyeballs
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post by Udontknowme



So, I wonder, did someone in 525 believe in the story of Jesus, if he didn't exist?


There were millions of people who never even heard the words Jesus Christ. All through Asia, to Africa, to the Americas

How does the whole world agree that it is 2009 AD?

It is called the most powerful man on earth at the time made the AD/ BC version of measuring and identifying time the commonly accepted form.

The most powerful man being head of the most powerul religion the world has ever scene was the Pope, by far.


You say there 'were' millions, I dont know if you are refering to newer times or to the time in question, but :


Israelites enter Canaan (1000 BC) = 4,600 people.
The destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon (586 BC) = 32,380 people
Time of Jesus (30 AD) = 590,681 people.
Year 2005 = 6.5 billion (the correct current world population).


At lesat tousands back then...
Now there are pretty much more people around and alot less believers.
Funny how we dont pay attantion to important details like this..


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 11:28 AM by ChemBreather
reply to post by Daniem



Cant we just look at the monkies calendar, I bet those smart animals have it hidden some place so we dont discover how smart they realy are !!




reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 11:32 AM by ChemBreather
reply to post by Essan



And the proof of this 4,607,003,567. is where ??
Is it from he secret monkey calendar ?




reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 11:55 AM by rogerstigers
Hehe, humurous thread. No offense to the OP, but the question is indicative of narrow thinking or simply just a lack of information from which to make a sound decision on the facts.

Here is my take on this:

Before the whole AD/BC convention, most of the world used the "5th year of the Reign of King Puff N Stuff" sort of convention. This was fine until you went to some country where you had no historical knowledge.

The Romans began a serious conversion to Christianity near what we would called year 100. At that time, Christian has converted the Emporer and he decided that all of these time systems across all of these regions was making it impossible to track anything. They needed a standard. Seeing as how he was a new convert and a bit zealous because of it, he determined that the birth of Jesus was a good bench mark.

This system didn't really take off for a while, though (kind of like the metric system in the U.S.). Eventually, though, the rapidly growing church we now know as the Catholic church recognized it as official and bread it into western culture.

Fast forward to the 20th century. Secular is growing fast and people no longer want to use a naming convention that is christian based. So they change the name to Before Current Events and Current Events. They didn't change the 0 year because that would really screw with poeple.

As for other cultures sharing the year count, I beg to differ. Officially, the hebrew calendar shows the year as 5768. The classic Chinese Lunar calendar shows the year to be 4706 or something like that. African tribes use a differant system as do native amricans, although I can't find details on that, so it's hear say.

We all use the international system because it enables commerce.


reply posted on 5-7-2009 @ 12:06 PM by open_eyeballs
reply to post by ChemBreather



You say there 'were' millions, I dont know if you are refering to newer times or to the time in question


There is an estimated poppulation of near 200 million people in 500 AD.

So, yes, tens of millions were unaware of a figure named Jesus Christ in those times.

www.census.gov...
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