Gday,

Originally posted by Udontknowme
So, every time you sign a check, say the date, you give a little nod to the fact that Jesus Christ existed.

So, every time you sign a check, say the date, you give a little nod to the fact that Juno and Thor and all the other Gods existed.


K.

Gday,

Originally posted by BlurryEye
I think that AD/BC doesnt confirm the existence of "jesus" but it is circumstantial. Also someone said there are no records of jesus... well, his real name wasnt jesus and there is no hebrew translation of his true name to jesus. His name was Yehoshua, or Yeshua , which translates to Joshua today(they shortened the character "ha" from some names back then) Sorry if im off on anything, this is just off the top of my head.

There are NO records of Jesus under ANY name.
What we have is GREEK Gospels which use the word 'Iesous'.
Yehoshua and Yeshua are conjecture about what his name MIGHT have been, if he existed.

Originally posted by BlurryEye
Also, if they wanted him dead so bad, does anyone think they would keep records around of his existence? Just something to think about.

So - you're claiming a conspiracy to erase Jesus from history?
Who is 'they' ?


K.

Gday,

Originally posted by rogerstigers
The Romans began a serious conversion to Christianity near what we would called year 100. At that time, Christian has converted the Emporer and he decided that all of these time systems across all of these regions was making it impossible to track anything.

Wrong.
100 CE was around Nerva and Trajan - they did NOT convert to Christianity at all. The emperor that became Christian was Constantine in the 4th century.

Originally posted by rogerstigers
They needed a standard. Seeing as how he was a new convert and a bit zealous because of it, he determined that the birth of Jesus was a good bench mark.

Wrong.
It was a MONK, "Little Dennis" who came up with the AD dating system in the SIXTH century.


K.


[edit on 5-7-2009 by Kapyong]

BC/AD confirms that, at one time, belief in a tribal Monster in the sky who must be worshiped in order to stave off his anger permeated all levels of society, including the conventions of assigning dates. Beyond that, your question is similar to saying "Does leaving out milk and cookies on Xmas Eve prove the existence of Santa Claus?"

Also, dude, the preferred nomenclature in this day and age is BCE (Before Common Era) and CE (Common Era).

I use BCE and CE because the idea of Christ being born in the year 1AD is obsured. If He was born before the death of Herod, the latest year of birth would have to be 2BC. How is 2BC considered "before Christ" if He was already born? I believe He was born in 4 or 5 BCE but that's beside the point. Many people use the letters "AD" to mean "after death" as if the "AD" system started at the death of Christ. So if there's BC for Before Christ and AD for After Death, where did the missing 34 years go? By the way, don't resort in calling the Roman Church, christian. It was the Roman Catholic Church who defiled the true christian religion which was suppose to be a "sect" of Judaism. The Catholics caused the gap between christianity and judaism by bringing in pagan beliefs such as sunday worship (as opposed to the sabbath (saturday), christmas and easter (pagan holidays celebrating the birth of the sun god [saturnalia=Christmas] and goddess of fertility [Ishtar=Easter]), etc.

Someone mentioned why there would be a conspiracy to erase Yeshua from history and the answer is simple..... if you're a believer. Satan's mission was to keep Christ from people and to spread lies, hence the Roman Catholic PAGAN Church spreading lies about things like "hell" as an everlasting torment when in fact, it's a permanent death. Christianity as a whole has done a good job hiding the real facts of God and Jesus, like the fact they are two different dieties, not the same as a trinitarian would have you believe. Lies such as this may be the reason so many people opted out of christianity.... because of doom and gloomers spreading fear to scare people into christianity... which probably had a reverse affect.

By the way, there is no "0" year between the BC/BCE and AD/ACE time system. It went from 1BCE to 1CE.

Gday,

Originally posted by Locoman8I use BCE and CE because the idea of Christ being born in the year 1AD is obsured.

What does that mean?
Jesus wasn't born in 1 AD.

Originally posted by Locoman8If He was born before the death of Herod, the latest year of birth would have to be 2BC. How is 2BC considered "before Christ" if He was already born?

Because the dating system is WRONG. Little Dennis was out by a few years.
The Gospels give DIFFERENT dates for the birth.

Originally posted by Locoman8Many people use the letters "AD" to mean "after death" as if the "AD" system started at the death of Christ. So if there's BC for Before Christ and AD for After Death, where did the missing 34 years go?

Doh.
AD does NOT stand for "After Death".
I suggest you try some study before posting more.

Originally posted by Locoman8Someone mentioned why there would be a conspiracy to erase Yeshua from history and the answer is simple..... if you're a believer.

So, you seriously believe in a conspiracy to erase Jesus from history?
Really?

Who did it?
Where is the evidence?


K.

Originally posted by Kapyong
Gday,

Originally posted by Udontknowme
So, every time you sign a check, say the date, you give a little nod to the fact that Jesus Christ existed.

So, every time you sign a check, say the date, you give a little nod to the fact that Juno and Thor and all the other Gods existed.


K.

LOL, well said! I do tend to do this, but that's because I'm interested in neo-pagan reconstruction... :p

Gday,

Originally posted by Locoman8
About erasing Jesus from history.... it was never done successfully because His followers wrote all about Him.

Do you really believe there was a conspiracy to erase him from history?
By who? When?
Why did they fail?

Originally posted by Locoman8
Pontius Pilot[sic] wrote about Him in his letters to Ceaser. These letters weren't part of the bible's cannon but are part of the new testament apocrypha.

The letters of PILATE are known forgeries.
(He is not a 'pilot' of a plane.)

Originally posted by Locoman8
Luke was a doctor and historian who wrote about Jesus in his self-titled Gospel and the book of Acts depicting the early spread of christianity.

That's what some Christians believe.
Modern NT scholars don't.
G.Luke is anonymous - we do not know who wrote it - like most of the NT.

Note well - We do not have ONE single authentic 1st-hand claim to have met a historical Jesus.

Originally posted by Locoman8
Everything that happened while Jesus was alive was done in the provinces of Judea, Galilee, and Samaria. This was a small region of the world and was mainly Jewish. The Jewish leaders knew that Jesus was the "supposed" Messiah and they feared an uprising of the people and started spreading hearseis and fallacy against Jesus. The Jewish scribes were of these leaders. They abstained from writing about Jesus for the reasons stated above.

That's funny - other apologists here claim the Jews DID write about Jesus -
Josephus,
the Talmud.

So did they or didn't they?

Originally posted by Locoman8
His followers were the ones doing the writings and only the writings of the original apostles and scribes like Luke and Mark became part of the bible.

False.
Not one of the NT books was written by anyone who ever met a historical Jesus - that's what modern NT scholarshop agrees.

Originally posted by Locoman8
There are probably many other writings out there but are either not found or have been found but the writer of the document poses as an apostle like Paul or Peter.

There are probably many documents yet unfound which show Jesus was a myth.


K.

Read your quote about Josephius again. It says clearly that the historian did NOT mention Jesus, even having lived in the same area at roughly the same time.

It does say this in a sort of sarcastic, round-about fashion. But that's what it says.