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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
reply to post by UFOTECH
Does this mean when I look at a girl I love and I'm far away, I can appreciate her beauty in clear vivid clarity any time? I can experience a special moment, or remember the face of a criminal in clear accuracy?
Sounds like storing pictures on a computer, then opening them up to see them again, sounds damn amazing!?
I wonder what the side effect might be?
[edit on 5-7-2009 by _Phoenix_]
Originally posted by Toughiv
"Mice with the RGS-14 boost could remember objects they had seen for up to two months. Ordinarily the same mice would only be able to remember these objects for about an hour."
Thsi protein is not trying to suggest you will remember everything forever. It is simply saying it boosts the retaining period of memories, or in other words slows down memory decay. While your point still holds some weight, there are things best left forgotten, eventually they will be forgotten.
Otherwise, it is just a significant boost to your memory, and therefore enables you to become much more knowledgable. Knowledge is power. So really, I will gladly take some of that protein thank you very much!
Cheers,
Brad
Originally posted by Toughiv
reply to post by Crying-Lightning
HAHA REALLY a fly that turns homosexual when drunk! Please please link it.
also, when it comes to being knowledgable, you do not need natural intelligence. Intelligence speeds up the process. A person with an iq of 160 has to study a text less to comprehend and learn it, whereas a person with iq of 100 will have to study a few times more to completely understand and learn.
knowledge is power. Ill prove that in the next question. Why do we pay lawyers?...
Ill leave it at, you seem intelligent enough to put it together.
Cheers,
Brad
Originally posted by Toughiv
reply to post by Crying-Lightning
Thanks for the links, interesting. Yeh i did know about different strengths etc, and so it is not a good way to measure intelligence, but then you have to ask what is intelligence. IQ tests are just a generalization of the idea.
Erm, when it comes to lawyers, we pay them to fight / defend our cases for us. Why do we pay them? Because they KNOW the law, and so KNOW how to break it, dodge it and wiggle their way around it. Hence my point Knowledge is Power and we pay through the teeth for people who have more than us!
Cheers,
Brad.
Originally posted by Toughiv
reply to post by Crying-Lightning
See now, when it comes to this area of debate. We are either getting really philosophical or religious. I would rather keep it philosophical, i thought Id say that now, because lets begin
Right, look around you, the world is inherently corrupt. We have happiness and we have sadness. Almost like positive and Negative. Without sadness you would not be able to appreciate happiness for what it is, for if there were no sadness, only happiness, we would deem happiness as the norm.
So, when it comes to you pondering why people would want power.
(side note, i define power as the ability to control. the ability to convert your energies into what you desire, for example, I am in power if I want coffee and I call my assistant to get it for me, still in power if I get it myself but I went for the more obvious version )
It is part of human nature. Which, is also inherently corrupt. We have both a loving side and a hateful side. You can see it in children, nobody teaches them to hit others but they inherently know how to do it. (you could argue they learn from upbringing, but not all children are hit).
So when you say the Love of Power (which is what we have at the moment, very egocentric) moving to the Power of Love, please explain firstly what you mean by 'power of love' and how you would bring about that change in mankind.
Thanks!
[edit on 29-7-2009 by Toughiv]
Originally posted by Crying-Lightning
"the ability to control. the ability to convert your energies into what you desire, for example, I am in power if I want coffee and I call my assistant to get it for me" which is basically still based on happiness, right? You said the ability to control, only to then convert the energies into what YOU DESIRE; If you get what you desire, then you are HAPPY. Right, when you used the example of "knowledge is power," it was an example of this whole law/authority thing, so that kind of power would be defined as "power of attorney." Just because there are evil, especially hateful people in this world, it does not make them the happy, powerful people. Think about it, if they were actually powerful people, they WOULD NOT feel the need to do those aweful things, they would already have "the ability to control"- I think that those who don't feel the need to control other people, by murdering, raping them ect. are those that know they can CONTROL THEMSELVES- control thier feelings, their actions and way of life- which, I think, makes them more powerful people.. I mean, if you can't even control yourself, then that must make you weaker than anyone else, right? "Love of power," is what's meant by only a desire to rule and control, and "power of love," love's power (love's ability to control), meaning being controlled by love's intention; this would mean that we would be controlled depending on love- caring for one another, considering one another, helping one another, which will clearly result in a better world for mankind, if we make this life about each other, as well as ourselves (love for ourselves doesn't require murdering someone else, just taking care of our health ect.)
Originally posted by Toughiv
Originally posted by Crying-Lightning
"the ability to control. the ability to convert your energies into what you desire, for example, I am in power if I want coffee and I call my assistant to get it for me" which is basically still based on happiness, right? You said the ability to control, only to then convert the energies into what YOU DESIRE; If you get what you desire, then you are HAPPY. Right, when you used the example of "knowledge is power," it was an example of this whole law/authority thing, so that kind of power would be defined as "power of attorney." Just because there are evil, especially hateful people in this world, it does not make them the happy, powerful people. Think about it, if they were actually powerful people, they WOULD NOT feel the need to do those aweful things, they would already have "the ability to control"- I think that those who don't feel the need to control other people, by murdering, raping them ect. are those that know they can CONTROL THEMSELVES- control thier feelings, their actions and way of life- which, I think, makes them more powerful people.. I mean, if you can't even control yourself, then that must make you weaker than anyone else, right? "Love of power," is what's meant by only a desire to rule and control, and "power of love," love's power (love's ability to control), meaning being controlled by love's intention; this would mean that we would be controlled depending on love- caring for one another, considering one another, helping one another, which will clearly result in a better world for mankind, if we make this life about each other, as well as ourselves (love for ourselves doesn't require murdering someone else, just taking care of our health ect.)
However, there is room for error. Everybody's idea of love is subjective, everything is subjective. Some might find it loving to help those that need help, while those people that know they need help might take satisfaction in completing the task all on their own, no matter the effort. see where Im coming from?
This world will never be Utopia. It comes down the the nature of experience. From experience we draw knowledge, but that is through our own subjective perception.
What I think is needed is not "love" but a combination of things. There are many sides to man's nature that need to be addressed. By no means am I Christian, but i sincerely feel they are onto something when that talk about the seven deadly sins. If it werent for peoples Pride etc, we could tell everyone how we are feeling with understanding from the other person, see what i mean?
I think if we start to see things less of "right and wrong" more of this is life, lets make the best of it for everybody. Then it will become a better world.
Thanks
[edit on 29-7-2009 by Toughiv]
Originally posted by Toughiv
reply to post by Crying-Lightning
I do not see how the two (love and knowledge) can be compared in "power".
I think we are starting to touch upon the driving forces behind peoples action.
To have a loving motivation can be said to be "better" but only because of the duality we have had ingrained in us since we were children.
Nowadays, people are very egocentric and have selfish needs/motivations, all to fulfill the sense of "i". However, what I believe you are suggesting is where a community worries about others as well, instead of this "whats in it for me attitude".
HOWEVER, when you suggest to "love one another as you love yourself". You have now hit a problem. Language, concepts etc are ALL subjective. We all take our own understanding of what we think they mean, since we all have different experiences of what love is.
If I grew up in a family where my father always wanted what was best for me, provided me with all I wanted but still remained distant, my concept of being loving is going to be different to that of a child who is smothered by their parents all the time right?
So how can we "love one another as we would love ourselves" when we cannot agree on what love is?
I think it always has to be a balance, a balance between the selfish and selfless.
What you think?
Originally posted by Toughiv
reply to post by Crying-Lightning
Right, firstly love is a feeling yes, but what if someone thought it was loving to inflict pain on someone else. That person being a masochist, so they love it when someone inflicts pain on them and so thinks it is loving to do it others.
Secondly, we have established that to act with a loving intention is better than to act with the intention of control. We have not established Knowledge is less powerful than love.
But then I ask you, what is better and worse? If you hadnt been told as a child that it is "right" to help others etc, then you would surely have a different value system for duality? Yes?
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