What i was saying was that Person A likes it when they feel pain, Masochist. Ok? So...they might think that it is loving to inflict pain on others,
since they enjoy it when pain is inflicted on themselves. Not liking the act of inflicting pain...(Sado)
So, it can be used to show that they would be acting out of a loving intention. Since they find it enjoyable when they feel pain, they want someone
else to have an enjoyable experience and so inflict pain on them. Think of it a different way, a child finds a hill and rolls down it and finds it
enjoyable, they run and tell their friends to join them, so they experience the enjoyment too. (This time im taking an extreme example of a
masochist). (Loving INTENTION).
"all they'd want is to nurture, heal and help to provide happiness. "
- Where are you getting this 'matter of fact statement from'. Surely, I have shown that a masochist, with a loving intetion is trying to provide
happiness, when they inflict pain on another person.
Also, as a side note, ever heard of the statement "cruel to be kind" ? For example, my child keeps playing near fire. I tell them not to go to the
fire but they persist. I decide that instead of constantly berating them and moving them away from the fire, it is best for them to learn for
themselves, (my loving intention *here*) rather than me limiting their freedom, and so I let them burn themselves so that they may learn for
themselves that it is not good to play with fire.
"Well, ok, if we havn't already established that knowledge is less powerful than love, here we go: people want power so that they feel happy,
satisfied- about themselves"
"about others, no matter what way they choose to do that.. knowledge does not always provide that true happiness, love always does"
- DISAGREE. Where are ytou getting this matter of fact statement that "love always does" from?
"because if we all had and gave it, we wouldn't even care exessively or unnecessarily about things like money, so we wouldn't be POWERLESS
enough to go round causing arguments, conflict, violence, war, murder"
It all depends on your value system. You obviously do not value money, and so believe we value it excessively. I feel that this whole love argument
you propose is too good to be true. What is going to get a doctor up in the morning to perform life threatening surgery all day, for no pay, while a
rubbish cleaner gets up, picks some rubbish and goes home? Love? Dont feel this is realistic.
It doesn't really matter what we were told as a child what was "right" does it? Even though people might have variations of what they'd
describe as right and wrong, it doesn't stop them feeling love and people know that they want someone to be happy if they love them
Yes it does. We are happy when we feel as if we are growing, flourishing, doing the 'right' thing in accordance to our nature, surroundings and so
on. If it was taught to you having debates like this was wrong, completely and utterly wrong. Then your natural inclination or desire to debate would
make you feel sadness because you would feel like you were a bad person. no?
Get back to me
P.S - You say "...POWERLESS enough to go round causing arguments, conflict, violence, war, murder"
You say that conflict, violence, war & murder are negative things. Who taught you these are negative things?
Back to my point about right and
[edit on 31-7-2009 by Toughiv]