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German Scientist Posts Complete Vacuum-Energy Documentation!

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posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Matyas
reply to post by bharata
 


This is the "dark energy" inherit in our universe. I don't think you will be disappointed. On the otherhand, don't expect MWs of power immediately. It took half a century to get the auto up to speed, as with the computer. Someone somewhere will design a better mousetrap.

Or we could look to the Latin equivalent in the history of electricity such as Tesla et al, but be forewarned understanding his work as is typical with most work from the emperical era makes codebreaking look easy.

All in all, I believe you can rest assured a new dawn is breaking upon us.




slightly off topic here...but could the issue be that we have been dumbed down? You are correct with being able to interpret work from that era. I read through an 8th grade test that, literally, i would have maybe made a 20% on. It was from just before the turn of the 20th century.

Couple that with the paper that Zorgon wrote entitled, "We had our chance and blew it" and the concept that Brokaw has been promoting with "The Greatest Generation"....we seem to not be quite as bright as we once were.

Is it sociological drift, or something deeper? Did we get too "smart" for our own good when trying to design an educational system that is standardized?




posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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Here is that guy's website:
public.rz.fh-wolfenbuettel.de...


XL5

posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 04:55 PM
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Matyas, it does seem I am mistaken about that, but even when they did manage to get the propper vacuum, the thing spun slower then it did in air. Even if its free energy, 1 turn every 2-3 hours is not going to cut it unless it has massive torque, but it is a big step if the right people see it and accept it.

Page 55 and 56 are the 2 I'm talking about.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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So has any credible physicist looked over this yet? i know its not been long for a deep analysis but if someone on ATS has skimmed through it and could give some quick thoughts it would be great for the less scientific minds on ATS



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Angus123
Forgive my ignorance on this subject, but does this mean he has gone public with a way to get energy from "nothing"? I've heard that others that have worked in this field with success have been harassed and even murdered by TPTB.

It could end our economic and social ills on a planetary scale if true.


No, it does not mean energy from nothing. Zero Point energy simply means to harness the infinite amount of energy contained in a vacuum.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Solomons
So has any credible physicist looked over this yet? i know its not been long for a deep analysis but if someone on ATS has skimmed through it and could give some quick thoughts it would be great for the less scientific minds on ATS


For my mind, i say that Matyas' opinion is very valid. I have sent this to "my peeps" to see what they have to say.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 06:43 PM
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Very Interesting indeed,

However very very early days with this research, and please read the article anyone who is imagining, or stating they are going to make this themselves at home, or that they will see large industrialisation of it...

The home bit, unless you are into Liquid Nitrogen and very very very good at engineering, it is ridiculously difficult and unsafe to try and cool rotar fans with liquid nitrogen without a proper set up and a real understanding of what you are doing, maths wise and engineering wise.

The results show a very chaotic response or conversion from the Vacuum Energy translation into mechanical.

Also the actual energy liberated or over unity of the system is EXTREMELY small.

As pointed out in the paper this could be down to the chaotic nature of the energy source, or the engineering of the system trying to convert or capture as such this energy, it seems to be either way as likely for both at the moment.

I do beleive the Prof has actually tapped into this in very small way as one part of the Paper jumps out at me:



The tests have not been quantitative. In some cases
rotations have been observed, which normally starts rather speedy (this means with a large torque indicating a large field strength) and also ended rather abruptly.

P 82.

However if the good Prof can actually prove the non gas ion (in our physical normal world) interaction on the rotars not adding to the movement generated, then maybe the first real Over Unity (in public domain) device has been created.

Even if using say Solar or such like sources of energy to aid or actually cool the rotars etc, then even if Over Unity would not be successfull, a renewable, clean and abundant free as such energy input would then facilitate a good energy output of clean free and ever lasting energy...

I hope he and others in the field can take this initial research and over many years as it would be at this stage sort out the engineering, output raitios and stability of such devices to craete what we all dream of.

Kind Regards

Elf.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Solomons
So has any credible physicist looked over this yet? i know its not been long for a deep analysis but if someone on ATS has skimmed through it and could give some quick thoughts it would be great for the less scientific minds on ATS


Yes this is what I was thinking as well. ATS needs some physics and engineering experts that they can consult for situations like this.

Waiting to see what bigfatfurrytexan's "peeps" have to say with keen interest....



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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I'm going through this fairly slowly; I'm read up to the end of section 2.2 so far. At that point, as long as all of the author's assumptions are correct, it looks fine. Certainly all his mathematics seems to check out. I'm not sure where equation 1.17 came from, though, but I think that's a fault on my end. At this point, I'd venture to say that it's all correct as far as I have read to, as long as the author is correct that electric fields propagate at light speed rather than infinitely fast.

I do have an electrical engineering degree, but I'm not currently working and I don't have a professional designation (P.Eng in Canada) if my credentials are important to anyone.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
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If Tesla invented the UFO craft,
that is the only evidence of free energyfrom nothing.
Where is all the other inventions.
I think its all talk because they do not know how Tesla did it.
No private UFO crafts around from free energy yet.
They don't even take the time to read Tesla and go where he goes.
Guess where the last big direction was, ELF.
Don't think so, if high frequency meant high energy even on the quantum
level as Planks formula states with zero point energy.
Plank forgot to tell everyone to use high voltage like Tesla cause
Tesla was the only one with the most powerful coils.
And that is the only way to build high voltage, nothing has changed
since 1900 in that regard.



I don't understand how people like you can make such wide sweeping comments as if you are the all seeing eye yourself.

How do you know there are no free energy crafts? Are you at the very top of the pyramid, have you seen all the black ops projects?

Teslas inventions were stolen by the FBI and other agencies upon his death, and prior to his death he was discredited and labeled as a whacko.

"nothing has changed.. since 1900" ... alright all seeing eye. Enlighten us.



posted on Jun, 24 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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The torque squares with diameter.

Meaning a massive rotor would have massive torque.

However there is a very real practical limit to scaling for both size and liteness. At some point reached very quickly it falls apart because it is too lite. Or if it is more massive, you loose too much power to mechanical energy of moving the weight as opposed to getting that energy as output.

However if you rotated a massive magnetic assembly inside a coil, you extract that energy via electrical generation. I suspect from his description that a coil around his test designs would generate electricity, presuming that it did not somehow break the design.

The test of magnetic material would be the logical next choice. If a coil proved to be a viable addition.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 01:18 AM
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That's correct. Even though it is a very low value, it does not exclude collecting, focusing, storing, amplifying, and a myriad of other tricks we do with our familiar energy.

The casimir force works on a small scale, and it is vacuum energy. Didn't they achieve some kind of micro levitation recently? Geckos use it, so it must be pretty strong stuff.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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nice find. When the world finally evolves from gas powered primitive overdressed overpriced rolling machines, we can say we climbed that mountain and then some.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
I'm not sure where equation 1.17 came from, though, but I think that's a fault on my end. At this point, I'd venture to say that it's all correct as far as I have read to, as long as the author is correct that electric fields propagate at light speed rather than infinitely fast.


1.17 is simple
Magnetic energy density u=1/2 B(dot)H (dot mean scalar product)
and if B=mu*H, then u=1/2 * mu * H^2, then put Ampere law 1.16 there ant it is.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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I read a little into the paper and quickly build a fast primitive model at home with some aluminium and a 4kV source that I have build my self at home once.

The parts I read in the paper was the Energy consideration of the spheres which looks good but doesnt really say a lot except that you have less energy in the outer sphere that was to expect.
This is electrotechnic.

The second part I read was about the rotor and how this should get a force on the blades that cause it to rotate.
This part looks rather mystical or all wrong to me from a electrotechnical sight. But I am no more that deep into the field so others that still are should check that out.



Originally posted by MischeviousElf
The results show a very chaotic response or conversion from the Vacuum Energy translation into mechanical.



The tests have not been quantitative. In some cases
rotations have been observed, which normally starts rather speedy (this means with a large torque indicating a large field strength) and also ended rather abruptly.

P 82.



This I observed and that makes me sceptical. I also saw it rotate into BOTH directions! I can't explain this chaotic behaviour myself. However it was also often simple stuck and doesnt move at all.



Also the actual energy liberated or over unity of the system is EXTREMELY small.


Let's say so. From my Observation of the model that I build: The actual force that shall rotate it is considerable extremly weak compared with the attraction force of the rotor to the upper pole which makes it very difficutl to mount it in a stable way. Next any wind influence seems to have a stronger impact than that force.

Considering his explanation of the force caused by columb the force for rotation and the attracting force to the top oltage pole shouldnt be that different if the rotaor blades are 45 degree. Yet I observed a magnitute in difference. That again makes me believe he is wrong with his explanation how it should get to rotate and that the force that should drive the rotor does not exists or is caused from something completly different.

As I say I only build a very wuick primitive model. If you really want to know what's happening you would have to build this more serious.

Anyhow my result. Tt is an interesting paper where someone sure put a lot effort into it. I like that.



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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Heh, must've been tired. Went back to look at it again, and it seems straightforward now, so much that I went and scrolled around to see if I typoed the 1.17!



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 04:23 PM
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Would it be possible to post a summary of important information with quotes from the document for people who don't have the time to read through it? Or is this against the TOS?

Edit - There's so much good information there it would only make sense to read it directly from the document.






[edit on 25-6-2009 by DarkCyrus]



posted on Jun, 25 2009 @ 06:38 PM
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Wow way to go getting a working model.

I pondered botht he gas ion effect and as you stated the wind effect and considered a way around this to base the system in a lol, Vacuum itself, though obviously just a standard vacuum pumped one, but then any a lot of renewables going in would be needed, with less coming out. God only knows how it could work with the liquid, though I remember was it not Price? Preece? I think who managed to have a stable and seperated liquid and vacuum seperated pond as such within a sealed unit.

I tend to agree with you, and as stated this is interesting may be the first signs of an actual energy translation from dark or true vacuum latent energy to mechanistic process but many many years of research are needed.

The pole and motor issue you found and observed noted is I think probably unsolvable at present with current engineering and electrical knowledge and skills to.

Hey there seemed to be a battery in Baghdad a long long time ago, though it then took a long time until a power station was built, I kind of get that feeling with this, though obviously extrapolated up to modern moores law type advances... a good 10 -20 yrs until any real progress on this.

Kind Regards

Elf.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 01:25 AM
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Ok, I've read up to and including section 3.3 now. I took a note of the assumptions that the author has made so far in his work. Some are widely accepted by the scientific community, others are more questionable.

-that AC and DC electromagnetic fields propagate at light speed
-that generally accepted basic physics such as Coulomb's Law, Gauss's Law, etc, are correct
-that quantum mechanics and relativity are correct
-that the vacuum is supplying the (proposed) energy difference to the particle
-that permanent magnets emit permanent field energy
-that zero point vacuum oscillations display the same behaviour as other waves
-that quantum electrodynamical corrections such as vacuum polarisation do not only occur with photons but also with zero point oscillations
-that the particles of vacuum polarisation do not follow the propagation of the field and so they can distribute their energy all over the space
-that electromagnetic waves slow down in electromagnetic fields as compared to vacuum and that zero point oscillations also do so (basically the same as the point 3 lines above)
-that the alteration of the energy of the zero point oscillations in electromagnetic fields should be sufficient to explain the energy of those fields

He's starting to talk about some stuff that I'm not familiar with, like birefringence, and in particular I do not understand how he got to eq 1.39, so I am not sure if that is valid or not without a lot of research. Mathematically, I can follow what he did except the very last step (putting 1.35 into 1.39) but I don't know whether all of his reasoning in doing that is sound.

I'll keep reading again in a day or two. It's fascinating stuff, though whether it has any potential to do anything I cannot say until I have gone through it all.



posted on Jun, 26 2009 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf

I tend to agree with you, and as stated this is interesting may be the first signs of an actual energy translation from dark or true vacuum latent energy to mechanistic process but many many years of research are needed.



Errm, hasn't Bedini et al been demonstrating an energy translation from vaccuum energy to mechanistic process for years via his monopole motors?

I posted results of my little SSG experiment in the thread in my sig (last page).

OK, so the German scientist has put all the maths/physics (theory) in his report, but why does that make it more 'real' than all the physical demonstrations out there?

Hey, I'm a nobody, with no high-brow electronics/maths/physics training, but I managed to re-create the SSG experiment over a weekend in my garage. It certainly appears from my limited perception to tap zero point energy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fervent FE believer and advocator, and am excited that the theoretical scientists may now have something to chew on and work with, but am I missing something here??!??

[edit on 26/6/09 by RogerT]



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