Give Obama a break!, page 5
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reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 02:30 PM by burth179
I don't blame him anymore than I blame Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, etc, etc. on down the line since the Federal Reserve took over the country in 1913.

Isn't it funny that the Federal Reserve Act was voted in when 1/3 of the senate was on vacation over Christmas when all of the opposition to the bill was away on vacation? Isn't it funny that the Federal Reserve is an unelected private bank that has full reign to manipulate interest rates, print money on a whim, and basically run our country's entire financial stystem?

Isn't it funny that the next year after that the income tax law came into effect? Isn't it funny that the 16th amendment somehow still stands, even when the supreme court ruled that it should NOT grant government any new powers about personal income taxes on wages, and that this amendment was not even properly ratified by all the states?

But what matter, they can just stend in the Gestapo, I mean the IRS, to your door and force you to pay them. Never mind the law or the constititution when armed thugs can force the people to pay their yearly tribute to the puppet masters.

I wonder if we pay incomes taxes for the sole purpose of paying for the interest on the money the Federal Reserve loans to us? I wonder if all the paper the FED prints makes everyone else poorer and poorer because of inflation, while all the while it makes the global elites richer and richer?

And I wonder if all of this came straight out of the Communist Manifesto as a means of control?

Ain't it funny that while we have more and more laws restricting freedoms due to "terrorism" and what not, there are never ANY laws giving us more freedom?

Everything is "take take take" from the government, without any "give give give" back to us and without any regard to the Constitution. And that will never change as long as the Federal Reserve holds power, it will only get worse I'm afraid.

I can't believe there is anyone on ATS that actually think the president utters a word without approval from their FED & NWO puppet masters. Yet I read through 5 pages of Republican/Democrat b.s. arguing the same tired points and who is better between Bush and Obama, as if there is actually a significant difference between them. (Ok not all of it was of this nature, but enough of it was to make me comment)

Look, if the president is NOT taking action against the Federal Reserve and supports them and what they are doing, then he is an NWO puppet. It really is that simple. What don't you people understand about this? The proof is here, there, and everywhere throughout history. From Wilson to Roosevelt to Ike to JFK to (an extent) Reagan to Ron Paul, all have made comments alluding to the banking cabal ruling the roost (some supported it, some against).

And Obama supports the FED just like the rest of them. He wants to give them more power, using the financial crisis that THEY manipulated, as grounds to give the FED more and more power. Wants to increase the size of the government so the FED puppet masters will gain even more power legally, more ways to circumvent the constitution.

Men like Brzezinski, Kissinger and Rockefeller, and most importantly their international "nobility" and banking friends (and I'm still 50/50 on whether the Vatican is at the top of it all) hold the power. And they keep what they have, while gaining more and more of it, because if they control the White House, then they are commanders of the world's most advanced military.

And when somebody gets brave and actually tries to stand up for what he truly believes in, to give power back to where it truly belongs (ie - the people) what happens to them?

Not sure, but my guess is that they will spend eternity in a grave along side JFK....


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 02:45 PM by Grambler
Originally posted by PammyK
My goodness! There are so many bad things comming together in this country right now, I don't know who could fix everything, does someone here have anyone in mind?


Ron Paul?

Ok, maybe he couldn't fix everything, but at least he was honest about that. Remember during the debates when he said that he would leave these banks fail because propping them up would only make matters worse in the future. He claimed that America had overspent and was greedy, and the only way to fix it would be not to spend, and therefore we would have tough times for a while but then things would get better. In other words, as you pointed out, greed was the cause so we need to stop being greedy.

Obama on the other hand has spent WAY more, thereby being greedier. The other difference is that Obama claimed he would be able to fix everything (as did all of the other candidates) and we wouldn't have to go through tough times. See, no one wanted to listen to Ron Paul, because he was realistic and told everyone he had a solution but it would be painful for a while. As an aside, as soon as Obama was elected, the first thing he said was not to expect miracles from him, even though thats exactly what he promised.

I remember in one of the debates after the Fannie Freddie bailout, it was supposed to be a foreign policy debate. Because of the economic situation, the first question asked was something like because the economy is going to suck now, which of your programs will you cut back on. You know what Obama and McCain said? That all of their programs were important. Yep, just more promises.

So if this man got elected over someone with real solutions to our problems by claiming to be able to miraculously fix everything, and then he can't come through with the results, I'm certainly not giving him a break.



reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 03:28 PM by gdeed
reply to post by mellisamouse



Obama has got it made. No other president came into office and was handed trillions of dollars to spend as he wishes.

Besides he was voted into office by the people that want America to stand down and let the rest of the world take care of itself.

Talk about not having the big pressure that most other presidents had, the whole world on their shoulders. Obama only needs wine and dine with world leaders, that's a tough job.

Obama is ruler of the most prosperous country in the world, which for the most part works best when there is less government tampering. So if Obama spends more time wining and dining in other countries that's ok.

[edit on 22-6-2009 by gdeed]


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 04:28 PM by Missing Blue Sky
reply to post by PieKeeper



Slavery was a moral and religious choice too...why was that ok to talk about? Freedom from the King was a moral and religious choice too, under the king we had to follow the church of England...

Speech is not FREE if some, ANY, topics are forbidden.

Just because something is controversial means we need to be persuasive more that ever. Both sides of a controversial issue can not be correct. That is why we have a court of law. Laws can be amended by reasonable people if they see fit to do so. But laws can not be amended if speech is not free. President Obama is asking us not to use our brains to not think- not investigate.

I did not mention this to bring up the pro choice debate...this is not the thread for that...but to point out his abhorent statements about how he does not like free speech. It is hard to believe he is American at all much less president.

The president does not want us to think freely...he says he will not tolerate it. That should alarm you as someone who is here at ATS.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 04:57 PM by badgerprints
Originally posted by mellisamouse
Everyone has to stop blaming everything on a few and wake up to the fact that your friend who is 50,000 in credit card debt spent all on trinkets, boozing and crapola with nothing to show for it is JUST as much a part of the problem.....

Wake up! this is EVERYONES fault..... EVERYONE who has been overly materialistic and waistful etc....



WRONG!
It's not everybody, even though you would obviously like it to be.

I for one don't have all of your accused fiscal failings.
No credit card debt. I've got one for emergencies and it is paid off.
My car is five years old but it has low mileage and is paid off.
My house isn't a huge piece of eye candy and is 30 years old but it is in good condition in a nice neighborhood and I take good care of it. I pay extra on the principal every month. It will be paid off in 15 years, not 30.

I had a bad divorce years ago and was deep in debt but never filed bankruptcy. I paid all of the bills off by working a THIRD job.

Child support. Fully paid.

Taxes. Fully paid.

Extras? Not many because I have this pesky habit of paying my debts and taking care of my business.

Sorry, but you are wrong. There are plenty of people out there who are responsible and pay their debts.

I for one am fed up with the "It's everybodys fault." copout.

I don't need to spend money I don't have to live to somebody elses standards and I know others who don't either.

It's not everybodys fault.

Some of us actually believe in accountability instead of copouts.

And I definitly don't remember anybody I know who actually supports the concept of putting us into permanent debt to the fed by spending TRILLIONS on crap that won't help the citizens but will put the last arrow into the heart of our failing economy. Then of course there are the tens of trillions we have in interest to pay the fed over the next half century. Don't forget that little bit of fiscal genius.


reply posted on 22-6-2009 @ 11:29 PM by EYEOFEAGLE
Originally posted by mellisamouse
I see a lot of threads bashing Obama......

Seriously, give the guy a break!

George Bush was given a full bucket with no holes in it, to fairly distribute water to the people and organizatioons who needed it....

He then proceeded to DUMP the bucket, and then fill it full of holes so that it couldn't be filled up again.

Obama now has to not only PATCH UP each hole individually, but then he has to wait for the bucket to fill back up.

I would like to see ANYONE else do a better job, and stay a good guy, and HUMAN while trying to accomplish the task of the mess he was left with.

I am a Candaian, and the whole North American Union was the biggest blow to my pride ever because of not wanting to be associated with the Bush mess...

Now that Barak is here, I feel proud again.....like Canda being attatched to our American Neighbours and family is something I can be proud of now, instead of sad and ashamed when it was Bush...

ALSO, by the way, Bush and those before him put all the crap in place, NOT Obama.....

He is disgusted by their Nazi crap too, and is your best bet at being saved from the agenda that was in place.

Send him some positive energy for crying out loud...

I know it has been a while, but you finally have a president again who is on YOUR side for once!



Too much is unknown about this character to give him a break. He can not speak and answer technical questions without a tele or a bug in his ear.

A community organizer from the slums of chicago to congress, to senate, and to POTUS? Who in history has achieved this before without being handpicked and placed there?

What do you really know about this man other than what has been on ABC and NBC news?

Here is a really good question that someone brought up on here a while back.

Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981. What country was he passport from?

If you can tell me this, then I will be eager to learn more about this man.


Eye of Eagle


reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 12:38 AM by mellisamouse
reply to post by burth179



Yup that is what I am saying....this problem goes wayyyy back, and isn't it the definition of insanity doinghte same things over and over and expecting different results?

that is why I say we have to get our own crap together and leave the whole system in the dust so it can be replaced by by cleaner living, less materialism, less greed, etc.....and less personal debt etc, etc etc, etc....


reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 12:41 AM by mellisamouse
reply to post by tatersalad



you are just missing the point. It is not about ONE man...it is an entire society and system that dosen't work...period.

Less money for war? GOOOOOOD

Less insurance scams???? GOOOOOOD

Bettter realtions with other countries....GOOOOOOD

there is a wealth of wisdom in this thread already.


reply posted on 23-6-2009 @ 12:47 AM by mellisamouse
reply to post by badgerprints



Me too debt free, never had a loan or credit card...

But like I said you rneighbor and many of HIS neighbours are anywhere from $50,000 to $500,000 in debt......some mabey even $500,000,000 sooooo they my friend HUGE conrtibuters to your debt and problems...

All those unpaid student loans, business loans, credit cards....it all adds up pretty fast.

and most of it sepnt on glitz, glam, frivlle, and pollution, booze, WAIST......

So mabey everyone in those categories should take some personal responsibility as well???


It is basically same poop, different pile....same poop, different sized piles....


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