reply to post by jay.mo
Do you really understand the procedure that goes with diagnosing someone with a mental illness you make it sound like something so simple which it is
I've worked with many schizophrenics and many people who have been truly diagnosed with skitzo-effective disorder and for me to even begin to think
that this is anything "spiritual" would make me think that whatever "spiritual being" if inflicting this on a person has a very sadistic and cruel
People like to sensationalize and glamorize mental illness lately and think it is something mysterious and deep which it is anything but that.
How could the actions of rubbing feces, urine and blood all over yourself be spiritual?
How could killing others, or killing yourself be spiritual?
How could so many of the horrible out right disgusting at times things these people have to face and deal with being anything spiritual along with the
pain and heart ache their family has to endure?
How can lost lives of those afflicted who do not comply to take meds/help and end up being in institutions for over 20 years at times because they can
not care for themselves and have or could hurt others be spiritual?
I've worked with many people with this illness and many of these people who do decide to take their medications end up living happy productive lives
and thank us for the chance to be on these medications.
I'm sorry but I've just seen too much of the pain and hurt these and many other illnesses causes people, to think it is anything more than a
Maybe my work with it and looking it in it's cold hard truth everyday makes me be able to see past all the propaganda out there about these things,
but I really don't know where people come up with some of this stuff.
Sure there are some doctors who over medicate or misdiagnosed a patient but a lot of times it falls onto the family or the patient themselves for not
being honest about their drug and alcohol consumption which can often mimic the signs of every mental illness out there so when a person or family
tries to hide this fact for whatever reason they do (but many of them do) it leads to them not being diagnosed properly.
This is why in the most severe cases we keep patients for a minimum of five days with drug tests and them being kept track of 24/7 with every little
mood change noted so we can see where it is all coming from if someone comes in and for the first 3 days they are very emotional and have tested
positive for a drug and then after 3 days they are more stable we can attribute that to the drug addiction and we can treat that, then we have to
figure out what came first the mental illness or the drug abuse which is a very complicated and long drawn out process sadly there are no quick fixes
and the medication can give back a semblance of life and peace while we go through the process of cognitive and group therapy then individual +
addressing their addictions if they have them with support groups and proper coping skills.
The mind is a complex thing and when there's been years of progression from the mental illness and all the learning/emotional behaviors that were
created in that time period and then if you add on drug abuse you have to attribute the mental and emotionally immaturity that has been stunted so you
have to re wire everything, it's literally like working with a new born or a person who's suffered brain damage, but it's not all doom and gloom
there are many people who recover and are able to manage their mental illness even people with severe schizophrenia have a good chance if they work at
it and have the proper care and have advocates something we need more of we need free advocates out there for those with no family that care about
them that will be on their side make sure they get proper care/respect during treatment and then follow up with treatment as the government fails to
give this and the advocates out there right now usually have their own agenda.
Anyway, I can say without a doubt in my mind that these things are not "spiritual" in their nature what so ever, and if it is spiritual it would
honestly be the epitome of "demons" or a "possession" of sorts, which it isn't because there have been many cases of ill people going on
medications and becoming well witch gives 100% proof that this is a chemical/behavioral issue in the brain, if this were something "spiritual" it
would not be effected by medication OR therapy and it typically always is so yeah, not "spiritual".
The entire thing with people being over medicated and so on is just a generalization of those in this field who have their own agenda(honestly if you
are ever seeking mental health assistance do not go to government facilities try to find a non profit, for many reasons) but when you look at it in
an individual basis there are plenty of us out there who have nothing but the well being for the patient in their hearts and minds and also try to
work with our patients in many other ways besides medications but a lot of people do not want to commit their time to those other things as they are
not as quick as the medications.
There are also people who are so sick they do need meds and get their lives back, and then you have people who do not want the meds and those are
typically the ones you'll see doing not so great things on the street if you ever look into the stories of their lives you'll often find they have
had lives, families and kids, and then had a relapse in their mental illness and the number one reason for a relapse is not taking their
Also, people need to remember that medication is a personal choice we do not force anyone to take meds unless it's during an inpatient stay and that
person gets violent.
Once they are out of our hands and when a doctor hands a person a prescription in his office that person has the choice to take it or not so no one is
forcing them, sometimes I really wish we could honestly.
I can understand why people want to make things "deeper" or more than what they truly are, but these are the lives of other human beings that you
are talking about and this bothers me because these people can often be influenced so you have people telling them they are special and than this
supports or creates more paranoia or delusions for them and it makes it much harder to reach these patients and help them.