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The meaning of Lucifer

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posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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It is all very interesting yes


It is hard to give just one absolute to something when its used in more then one form. I find it hard to be so sure of something now after studying many different times and people and the way their traditions and beliefs parallel so much.




posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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Who is Lucifer? According to Notes in Howard Bloom's The Lucifer Principle---

"The prophet Isaiah used the term "Lucifer" merely to refer poetically to the King of Babylon, not exactly his favorite monarch. Later, Christians like John Milton would take Isaiah's figure of speech and weave an elaborate tale around it, crafting a devil of impressive proportions."



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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Purpose of Satan and His Gift to the Children of God. (Pretty interesting)


Unlike what many people think about the devil, he isn't entirely opposing the divine plan that God has for him. Satan was created for a purpose and he has a gift to offer. His original name is Lucifer but was called Satan which means accuser when he accused The Lord of evil. The name Lucifer means light bringer. God created Lucifer to be the enlightener of the universe. Lucifer possesses the highest awareness of all universal truths and understood the nature of all reality. His gift was to enlighten all beings.



Lucifer was originally closest to The Lord until the moment when he chose to rebel. He corrupted his own awareness by forming a new logos or way of reasoning about the reality of God. He separated his perception of the universal and personal aspect of God, and therefore saw darkness in The Lord as a sovereign being. Although darkness and evil only existed as concepts in Original Consciousness, Lucifer believed that it already manifested since he saw that heaven was in an imperfect state of government.

As a divine aspect of God, Lucifer believed that he was being inspired and empowered by original consciousness to oppose the sovereignty of The Lord and make right the faulty order of divinity. He persuaded other light beings to join him in making the position of The Most High open to all, so that everyone can ascend into the highest divinity. But he doesn't realize that the logos of The Lord is the perfect and complete expression of Original Consciousness. Lucifer's own actions actually manifested evil instead.

Lucifer may have fallen in the eyes of The Most High, but he hasn't lost the gift that he was given. He still lives according to his purpose by seeking expression of his gift. God does not need to create another being to do the work that he already created Lucifer to do. He includes Satan's work as part of his plan. Every being is created with a purpose that only it can fulfill. Therefore even the work of evil is turned into good by the all knowing wisdom of The Most High. God is wise and efficient in using resources.

There is an invisible war going on now between two sides in the entire universe and on all levels of reality. When there is a war fought, there are spoils to be won. Nothing would be gained from fighting the enemy unless they had something really good for us. Each time warriors of Christ win the fight of awareness against the principalities of Satan, we stand a chance to receive the tools and knowledge they possess. We become stronger each time we see through the enemy's deceptions and rise above them.

All warfare is deception and Satan's art of war is to use all kinds of means to confuse, weaken and destroy the consciousness of God's people. The greatest weapons of destruction is not physical devastation, but it is ignorance and suppression against the soul. Knowledge is power and the more or less it is possessed by either side, the more or less power that side can wield. Satan aims to hide his gift from the church and share it only with the rest of the world. He makes Christians as ignorant as he can.

Satan causes the church to persecute, reject and even kill those Christians who tried to share this truth by labeling them as heretics and being on Satan's side. He has classified the whole portion of knowledge about the universal aspect of God under the term occult, which literally means concealed or hidden. He causes the church to fear such knowledge and to stay away from it. But Christians who are wise as serpents do not fear Satan's territory. They are able to take what is good and discard the untruth.

Some Christians might say what fellowship has light with darkness? But they do not realize that God and Satan were best friends in the beginning. They had perfect and closer fellowship than anyone else. Whatever light that Satan has is originally of God. Therefore the light that he gives belongs to God, for there is no other light but God's light. Satan is a being that has both light and darkness. Darkness is the absence of light. Satan is not the source of light but God is. We can embrace light wherever it is.

Good and evil existed as concepts in the universal mind but were not manifested until Lucifer misaligned himself from The Lord. The Bible says Lucifer was perfect in all his ways until iniquity was found in him. Lucifer perceived that evil was already manifested in The Lord by claiming sovereignty for himself, and therefore sought to right the wrong by persuading all other light beings which were the angels, to liberate heaven of such tyranny. Lucifer believed he was bringing the light to the darkness of The Lord.

A portion of the work that Satan is doing in this world is according to what The Lord created him to do. Therefore Satan is doing God's work. The other portion of Satan's work is against the Lord. He seeks to bring enlightenment to all but yet denies The Lord's rightful place as The Most High Personal Aspect of God. Such is the paradox of Lucifer's work, to be half godly and half ungodly. But The Bible says that there is no wisdom, nor understanding nor counsel against The Lord. Satan would ultimately fail.

Satan's existence and his work are part of God's universal plan. Those who are the wisest learn from anything whether good or evil because the whole universe is their teacher. If you want to be as victorious as you can be in this divine war, you must learn from your enemy. Do not deny yourself from receiving something that is good for you just because it comes through a particular channel. Whatever gifts that we receive as children of God, we should receive it as from God who is the source of all things.



(author: Enoch Tan )



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 02:22 PM
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I dont remember where i found that but i was doing some research a while back and this is one thing i had saved that i could find...


PEACE!!!

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posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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May I ask, and it is a genuine query, born of compasion. Do you believe all this? You would have been far better stopping at Lucifer means Light bringer. Do you not see all the contradiction and nonsense in these paragraphs? What kind of research were you doing? You saved this? You believe this?
If you were a member of my family I would move heaven and earth (no pun intended) to dissuade you from this mindset.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla


ARG that also makes my rage meter fill to the max.

But I always thought Lucifer was the name of the Angel who eventually became Satan.

If not, what is that Angel's name?

I admit I am not a Christian though and haven't thouroughly read the Bible in a long time.


There are a few names thrown around: Samael, Azazel, Beliel.
But not Lucifer!



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Time2Shift
Who is Lucifer? According to Notes in Howard Bloom's The Lucifer Principle---

"The prophet Isaiah used the term "Lucifer" merely to refer poetically to the King of Babylon, not exactly his favorite monarch. Later, Christians like John Milton would take Isaiah's figure of speech and weave an elaborate tale around it, crafting a devil of impressive proportions."



Yes, and there are other uses of this epithet Lucifer, not least of which in Revelations where Jesus uses it to refer to himself:


"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Revelation 22:16



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 03:33 PM
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No not my believes. Just something i was reading about Because me and a friend were having a discussion about it. Trust me i have my believes. I just don't feel the need to let everybody know...


PEACE!!!



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 05:12 PM
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First:
There is only one god.
What you mean are "gods".
Which exist. The only lie into it is that they dont exit.
Ever heard of "the gods of light"?

Second:
Lucifer was and is the first angel. Build from god as the First. First of every being. First Angel.
So the real name Lucifer means: Son of Light.
Something like that.. i must research again


Third:
there is no third ... oh yes, there is one: He is no human. and he is fallen. And will never return into heaven. Point and end...


NW



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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As to the idea of only one God, are you referring to the concept of God the eternal? Because in many cultures, God the eternal is different and removed from the creator Gods. He is considered unknowable and uninterfering.

Lucifer does not mean Son of Light. The original phrase that was used in Isaiah 14:12 was "Heilel ben-Shakhar." In other words: Lucifer, son of the morning, and was in reference to the Babylonian King. There is no scripture to quote that will tell you that Lucifer was the name of an angel. It is an epithet.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by DaisyAnne
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Yes this is true!
Quite a few deities worldwide have names to do with light and fire.
That is a gorgeous statue.


The light barer is the one baring the light. "How long shall I bare with you generation of little faith?"

Compare these.


Isa 14:10 All of them answer and say unto thee, Even thou hast become weak like us! Unto us thou hast become like!

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Mat 27:40 and saying, `Thou that art throwing down the sanctuary, and in three days building it , save thyself; if Son thou art of God, come down from the cross.'
Mat 27:41 And in like manner also the chief priests mocking, with the scribes and elders, said,
Mat 27:42 `Others he saved; himself he is not able to save! If he be King of Israel, let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe him;
Mat 27:43 he hath trusted on God, let Him now deliver him, if He wish him, because he said--Son of God I am;'
Mat 27:44 with the same also the robbers, who were crucified with him, were reproaching him.

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Isa 14:11 Brought down to Sheol hath been thine excellency, The noise of thy psaltery, Under thee spread out hath been the worm, Yea, covering thee is the worm.




Isa 14:12 How hast thou fallen from the heavens, O shining one, son of the dawn! Thou hast been cut down to earth, O weakener of nations.
Isa 14:13 And thou saidst in thy heart: the heavens I go up, Above stars of God I raise my throne, And I sit in the mount of meeting in the sides of the north.
Isa 14:14 I go up above the heights of a thick cloud, I am like to the Most High.

Mat 24:30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth smite the breast, and they shall see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory;

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith to him, `Thou hast said; nevertheless I say to you, hereafter ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of the power, and coming upon the clouds, of the heaven.'


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Isa 14:19 And--thou hast been cast out of thy grave, As an abominable branch, raiment of the slain, Thrust through ones of the sword, Going down unto the sons of the pit, As a carcase trodden down.

Mat 28:5 And the messenger answering said to the women, `Fear not ye, for I have known that Jesus, who hath been crucified, ye seek;
Mat 28:6 he is not here, for he rose, as he said; come, see the place where the Lord was lying;
Mat 28:7 and having gone quickly, say ye to his disciples, that he rose from the dead; and lo, he doth go before you to Galilee, there ye shall see him; lo, I have told you.'



posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by DaisyAnne

Originally posted by Time2Shift
Who is Lucifer? According to Notes in Howard Bloom's The Lucifer Principle---

"The prophet Isaiah used the term "Lucifer" merely to refer poetically to the King of Babylon, not exactly his favorite monarch. Later, Christians like John Milton would take Isaiah's figure of speech and weave an elaborate tale around it, crafting a devil of impressive proportions."

Yes, and there are other uses of this epithet Lucifer, not least of which in Revelations where Jesus uses it to refer to himself:


"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Revelation 22:16



I read once that the secret behind the true identity of Lucifer lay within the depths of Humanity itself. Humanity is, on mass, a Great Entity that fell into generation, as depicted in the Fall from Grace. The great Coming of Mind was where the Spirit of Humanity fell into the form of the animal kingdom, thus creating a new and Fourth Kingdom of Nature, the Human Kingdom. That place in nature were we, as dual minded beings, first become aware of ourselves as internal/eternal Father Spirit and external/temporary Mother Earth. We suddenly became aware of good and evil and thus we became Human.

And so the conflict continues between good and evil, formless and form, spirit and matter. And this is, I believe, the reason for the confusion between Lucifer, the Lightbearer and d-evil or satan, the light restrictor.

The way out of this conundrum is down the middle road, between the serpentine extremes, the straight and narrow way. This middle or third point is where the two become one, like the yin and yang merging the polar opposites into each other.

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Where this Great Entity fell from originally is said to be from the realm of the Venus system, the bright morning star; an event that was in concordance to cosmic cyclic activity that is far beyond any real conception from our human point of view.







[edit on 14-6-2009 by Neo__]



posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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If I am understanding you correctly, then I can say that I am fully in agreement with you.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 02:19 AM
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Originally posted by DaisyAnne

Originally posted by chapter29
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I feel your pain....


I hate it when people murder the term Hear, Hear..! by saying, "Here, Here..."


It upsets me...




Actually, that bothers me too!
Along with when people say,
"I could care less."
instead of saying,
"I couldn't care less."



What bothers me more is when people try to make out lucifer to be a good guy who was coming to our rescue in the graden of eden when he is clearly not, I could care less about here here...

Satan, Lucifer the devil, beelsibub the dragon etc etc. Jesus Christ has over 100 different names in the bible but they mean the same thing.

Luciferianism is the religion of the illuminati Masons etc and it is highly totally and utterly wicked.

[edit on 16-6-2009 by Imago Dei]



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 02:47 AM
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A bit of an aside...

I personally find it interesting that the Morning Star is referred to as Lucifer and is also Venus... which was a powerful symbol of the female divine. Christianity has a very interesting trackrecord for demonizing all that is female.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by Imago Dei

Satan, Lucifer the devil, beelsibub the dragon etc etc. Jesus Christ has over 100 different names in the bible but the y mean the same thing.


Actually, it can be said that they don't all refer to the same being at all.


Originally posted by Imago Dei

Luciferianism is the religion of the illuminati Masons etc and it is highly totally and utterly wicked.


Well, that depends on your perspective. You cannot state something so highly sujective as fact.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by BitRaiser
A bit of an aside...

I personally find it interesting that the Morning Star is referred to as Lucifer and is also Venus... which was a powerful symbol of the female divine. Christianity has a very interesting trackrecord for demonizing all that is female.


I find this very interesting too. The idea of Lucifer is so wrapped up in falicies and contradictions that it is hard to get to the bottom of the rabbit hole at all.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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Originally posted by BitRaiser
A bit of an aside...

I personally find it interesting that the Morning Star is referred to as Lucifer and is also Venus... which was a powerful symbol of the female divine. Christianity has a very interesting trackrecord for demonizing all that is female.


Rubbish, Christ revealed himself to a woman first after his resurection, purely and simply to refute this meanigless aside. Yet another groundless baseless slight at Christianity, not to mention off topic.

And the woman was a harlot who had 7 seven demons cast out of her no less. Also Christ spoke to a woman at the well who brought christianity to her people, a woman who had been married five times and was living with a man who was not her husband. Ruth and Ezra where used in a mighty way by God, etc etc and on and on it goes.

The heathen have an interesting track record for demonizing Christ and Christianity, particularly with the propesterous lie that Christ and satan are one in the same

Next!

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posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by DaisyAnne

Originally posted by Imago Dei

Satan, Lucifer the devil, beelsibub the dragon etc etc. Jesus Christ has over 100 different names in the bible but the y mean the same thing.


Actually, it can be said that they don't all refer to the same being at all.


Originally posted by Imago Dei

Luciferianism is the religion of the illuminati Masons etc and it is highly totally and utterly wicked.


Well, that depends on your perspective. You cannot state something so highly sujective as fact.


This is an objective fact not a subjective opinion, proven by more than one ex Illuminati high ranking official.

There is no rabbit hole here unless of course you like to burrow holes and lose your self in them. Incidently as an aside, the rabbit hole term comes from Alice in Wonderland an illuminati fairy tale written by a bloke wacked out of his box on acid.



[edit on 16-6-2009 by Imago Dei]



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by Imago Dei

This is an objective fact not a subjective opinion, proven by more than one ex Illuminati high ranking official.

There is no rabbit hole here unless of course you like to burrow holes and lose your self in them. Incidently as an aside, the rabbit hole term comes from Alice in Wonderland an illuminati fairy tale written by a bloke wacked out of his box on acid.



[edit on 16-6-2009 by Imago Dei]


Again, this is an opinion based on what you interpret "Luciferian" to actually mean. As a writer, I am fascinated by stories and by words themselves. They have the meaning that we assign them, and the most powerful meanings are the ones that we assign them subjectively, which we do most of the time, even in the face of cold hard facts.

So, no, I do not think that your opinion can be stated as fact, because it is based upon what you interpret "Luciferian" to mean. And so we go back down the rabbit hole.

In answer to your aside, I know where the term rabbit hole comes from, and I used it within those parameters. Alice In Wonderland is one of my favourite pieces of literature. I think you'll find that most of the great works of literature were written by blokes wacked out of their heads on one thing or another. But, I digress...



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