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The meaning of Lucifer

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posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 05:20 AM
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I have come across, whilst reading threads here on ATS, many incorrect uses and translations and interpretations of the word "Lucifer."

Devil worshippers are said to be worshipping Lucifer, and those who worship Lucifer are called Devil worshippers. This is not a correct correlation.

The word used in the Hebrew is "Heilel." Translated into the Greek, it is "Eosphoros." It is translated into the Latin as "Lucifer."

In the Latin translation of the Bible, Lucifer is used multiple times. For instance,

2 Peter 1:19
Job 11:17


These are not references to the Devil. In fact, in Revelations we find Lucifer twice, neither one in reference to the Devil:

Revelation 2:26a, 28b
Revelation 22:16

I do not wish to question people's beliefs with this thread, I only wish to clarify a proper definition for "Lucifer," as an epithet rather than a proper name.




posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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Then you better clear it up - because you didn't make anything clear at all.

What is the difference and proper usage of Satan, Devil and Lucifer in your view?



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 05:49 AM
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I'm sorry if my initial post was not clear.

Lucifer, in Latin, is a term for the planet Venus. That epithet, Biblically, has been used to refer to King Nebuchadnezzar, and to Jesus himself. It is not a proper name for the Devil.

Satan, as most everyone knows, is a term meaning adversary.

Some proper names for the Devil that have been variously suggested have been Azazel, Samael, and Beliel.

Lucifer as a proper name for the Devil in popular culture is probably thanks to, in part, Milton's Paradise Lost.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 05:58 AM
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hey


ok, i dont understand what you really mean too.
there are many names for lucifer.
but:
there is also a difference between Lucifer and Satan.
Lucifer was the first angel, we all know the story guess.
Satan is the "bad" site of god.
Ever thought about that god has also 2 faces?
A good one, called god (or whatever).
And a bad one, called satan (or whatever).

Fact is:
Lucifer is an angel and has nothing to do with the darkness of god.
He is only an fallen angel...
Sorry, but i dont know another name for. There exist many, in every civilisation another name. Here we call him Lucifer.
thats all..

Nia Wind



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 06:01 AM
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See, what I'm saying is, that Lucifer is not, in the Latin translation of the Bible, used to describe a fallen angel as a proper name. It is used multiple times, in reference to multiple people.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 06:04 AM
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I have always thought Lucifer meant light-bringer. From the latin Lux-ferre translated Lux-light and Ferre-carry.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 06:04 AM
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yeah, but its the same with the name "god".
There are many names for the same thing, or person, whatever god is really...
So it is with Lucifer: Different countries, different cultures, different names..
google it and you will find many names for it.
The world is like that: Everybody has his/her own name for the myths..




posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by midicon
reply to post by DaisyAnne
 


I have always thought Lucifer meant light-bringer. From the latin Lux-ferre translated Lux-light and Ferre-carry.


Yes indeed!
Which is why in Latin, it refers to the planet Venus.
Just as Eosphoros does in Greek.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by NW111
yeah, but its the same with the name "god".
There are many names for the same thing, or person, whatever god is really...
So it is with Lucifer: Different countries, different cultures, different names..
google it and you will find many names for it.
The world is like that: Everybody has his/her own name for the myths..


There are many different gods, in many different cultures! They are not all the same god.
My point is, that Biblically speaking, Lucifer is not a proper name for the Devil, much as Satan is not a proper name either.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:05 AM
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many incorrect uses and translations and interpretations of the word "Lucifer."



I feel your pain....


I hate it when people murder the term Hear, Hear..! by saying, "Here, Here..."


It upsets me...





posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by chapter29
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I feel your pain....


I hate it when people murder the term Hear, Hear..! by saying, "Here, Here..."


It upsets me...




Actually, that bothers me too!
Along with when people say,
"I could care less."
instead of saying,
"I couldn't care less."



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:39 AM
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There is a Deity in the Hindu pantheon known as 'Maha Dev' which basically translates as 'The Great Light.'

Here is a photo of one of His images taken in Haridwar -




posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:46 AM
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Yes this is true!
Quite a few deities worldwide have names to do with light and fire.
That is a gorgeous statue.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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I wonder if this diety also represets venus.
Indeed do Indian gods represent planetary bodies?



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 09:17 AM
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You asked :
I wonder if this diety also represets venus.
Indeed do Indian gods represent planetary bodies?

This 'deity' is most commonly known as Shiva, although it is commonly remarked that he has 1001 names, Maha Dev being only one of those 1001.

The best way I can think of to 'explain' what Shiva 'is,' is to refer you to some explanatory material regarding Chakrasamvara.

As far as how the Hindu pantheon correlates to our everyday mundane existence, I have heard all kinds of nonsense about this, and will choose to remain silent on the matter.

Look into it yourself - form your own opinion !



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 10:02 AM
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I would really like to see this topic go into deeper discussions.

This is what I was reading on a few days back and I too kept leading to a 'title' of a person. A title that has referred to more then one person specifically, describing the person as....a light bringer or the morning star which often was indeed used to symbolize Venus.

I often wonder like with the name Samuel if this also wasnt the case, a title being used.....that means 'blind one' 'fool'..going on memory there. I always find it ironically fitting that what we see as a given name to a person very very often describes the totality of that given persons life or purpose. The first several names in the generation of Adam that the Bible gives has many of these examples and even places that 'already' seemed to of been named as if the person place of thing seems to have a fate made with it.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 11:21 AM
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Thank you for your reply and for the links! I think I was expecting a simple yes or no but like so many things there’s more to it. So Maha Dev is Shiva! Who is of course the ‘destroyer of worlds’ and who has most definite connections with Venus and subsequently with Lucifer.
For me anyway Lucifer is the planet we now call Venus which may, at one time in our history, have been a comet. The bible and various other mythologies, subject to interpretation, can be seen loosely to support this idea and it’s certainly not beyond the realm of reason to see it as a possibility.
Thanks again.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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Mabey the deal with Venus, the bright morning star and its mystical history revolves around how odd it must of been to the people of ancient time. Being the 3 brightest object in the sky and being able to notice how its seems to 'fall' from evening sky and becomes a 'morning star' that rises before the Sun in the East, almost bringing a sense of the one who 'brings' the sun. Many cultures took notice of Venus as a or bringer. This is why history of cultures and beliefs interests me so because one can see how cultures influenced each other with beliefs and what was seen as important to the people. Some say the Bible is rich with astronomical importance and I could totally see that.

I thought Shiva was was looked at more so of the 'pure one' who can purify someone just by the mention of the name. The Supreme One also is referred to as Shiva....being the all supreme-can of course destroy. It seemed when I studied it Shiva was both destroyer and pure one/supreme one. I could be wrong...



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 12:43 PM
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Hello LeoVirgo, you could be right of course, I did say 'subject to interpretation' and I certainly haven't drawn any hard and fast conclusions.
However the various myths from the past are interesting don't you think?
'Born from the forehead of Jupiter', 'fallen from heaven', 'the wavy haired one', etc...there is a long list of appelations ascribed to Venus that resemble cometary features. I'm sure there is even one that says Venus once rivalled the sun in brighteness.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by DaisyAnne

Originally posted by chapter29
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I feel your pain....


I hate it when people murder the term Hear, Hear..! by saying, "Here, Here..."


It upsets me...




Actually, that bothers me too!
Along with when people say,
"I could care less."
instead of saying,
"I couldn't care less."



ARG that also makes my rage meter fill to the max.

But I always thought Lucifer was the name of the Angel who eventually became Satan.

If not, what is that Angel's name?

I admit I am not a Christian though and haven't thouroughly read the Bible in a long time.



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