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Topic started on 10-6-2009 @ 08:07 PM by TiM3LoRd

Breakthrough in A.I.


www.kuro5hin.org
If a computer program took the SAT verbal analogy test and scored as well as the average college bound human, it would raise some serious questions about the nature and measurement of intelligence.

Guess what?
Artificial intelligence with human-level performance on SAT verbal analogy questions has been achieved (warning: PDF) using corpus-based machine learning of relational similarity. Peter D. Turney's Interactive Information Group, Institute for Information Technology of the National Rese
(visit the link for the full news article)


reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 08:25 PM by Darth Logan
reply to post by TiM3LoRd


I am also for technology, but what happens when political correctness comes into factor for A. I. ? Which sounds outlandish, but so is being politicaly correct IMO.
It opens a whole new can of worm's when you start giving rights to A.I. If it would ever come to that, which I hope It would'nt.
There should still be a human in control at all times.
I think this is a great step forward as long as it does'nt get abused.
Just my opinon!



reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 08:28 PM by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by Darth Logan


i agree 100% by all means develop faster and better computers but never forget that they were created to serve mankind. bleeding hearts will get us all killed.


reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 08:59 PM by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by Mister E.


no doubt technology is a tool. it always has been, the problem im talking about is giving the tool a choice. If it wants to help us or not, what happens if the tool decides it knows whats best for us based on a set of program parameters set by us. humans are far from perfect and all we need to do is make one mistake and create A.I. without compassion for the human condition and its all over red rover.

program code can be copied so easily and dispersed so easily now especially with high speed internet connecting the entire world. if a rogue A.I. got onto the net there would be no way to stop or track it down. imagine an intelligence with access to all the info on the net.


reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 09:13 PM by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by dooper


thats what im talking about. im talking about the nut cases out there that make viruses just for the bragging rights. its irresponsible behavior such as this that proves to me humans cant be trusted with the power to create Artificial Life. were just not responsible or smart enough to fully comprehend or understand the far reaching implications of what we are about to do.

it is for this reason alone i say we must always maintain a fail safe off switch. lest we be destroyed or become slaves to the very machines we created.



reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 09:31 PM by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by tothetenthpower


electricity? you think something as simple as power would stop a machine designed to self replicate and evolve? err im human and i can think of about at least 10 different ways to generate power. trust me pulling the plug is not the answer. and as for your assumption that humanity is NOT irresponsible i suggest you take a peek out side your window. if humans have proved anything in its entire existence its that we are anything BUT responsible. most of us are but its the ones that are not that worry me. and once the genie is out of the bottle its going to be very hard to put it back in.


reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 09:36 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by TiM3LoRd


Well that was a little condesending. Not willingly I am sure, but none the less.

And why would we EVER create any machine that was built to self replicate, do we have a death wish? And I wasn't saying we aren't irresponsible, obviously we are, what I am saying is these decisions will not be made by politicians or regular citizens, but by scientists who understand the risks involved.

And yes a power source would be required, regardless of how many we can think to use, it's not like we will create robots that can change their composition, another irresponsible thing.

There may be no limit to what we can achieve, but there comes a time where we must say, is this worth doing? Is there any benefit to creating something like this? What are the reprocussions? What will be the fail-safes?

These questions will all be appropriatly answered and the solutions properly implemented I am sure. These people aren't morons.

~Keeper


reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 09:59 PM by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by tothetenthpower


i'm sorry to sound condescending but i think trusting scientists to do the right think is a little naive. i havent seen any indication that scientist are any wiser than anybody else. just because they have decided to invest all their attention to one field and have become experts in that field does not mean they have also become experts in everything. they are human and make mistakes.

based on logic we as a race have the technology to solve all our problems and yet we dont. there are way too many complications involved to go into the detail of global politics and sociology. suffice to say we dont always do what right as much as whats easy.

i suggest you do some reading into the advances in nano technology and see just how close we are to the even horizon.


reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 10:45 PM by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by jimminycricket


thats awesome and i do love advances in technology. my fear is not OF technology but our over reliance on it. and this is the fine line we have to understand. as soon as robots and A.I. do our think and i mean all our thinking we become slaves to the machines. not directly but by proxy.

we didnt make computers so that we could create artificial intelligences that we could have debates about philosophies of life and the universe with. although that would be pretty entertaining trying to argue with an intelligent machine. we create A.I. to better do the jobs we assign them. a smarter machine means more productivity. this benifits humanity and im all for this. its when the machines start to question its existence that things get a little fuzzy. you cant give something sentience and then say it cant use it, it just doesnt work like that.

once a machine is given free will the future of humanity will be in its hands.


reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 10:55 PM by Faiol
Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
reply to post by dooper


thats what im talking about. im talking about the nut cases out there that make viruses just for the bragging rights. its irresponsible behavior such as this that proves to me humans cant be trusted with the power to create Artificial Life. were just not responsible or smart enough to fully comprehend or understand the far reaching implications of what we are about to do.

it is for this reason alone i say we must always maintain a fail safe off switch. lest we be destroyed or become slaves to the very machines we created.


yes, if they are able to simulate the way our brain works, then I would be scared ... but for while it isnt like our brain ... so, It cant learn and create things ...


reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 10:59 PM by jimminycricket
reply to post by TiM3LoRd


I think it will certainly shake up the world, and I think your point is a very important one. I have seen much said about robots taking over manual jobs such as automobile assembly and factory work, but I have seen much less about AI taking over our thinking. This could be far more disruptive, and it's hard to predict where it will really go.

Perhaps though, in some areas it will help us. Some people feel that as humans, we have trouble truly grasping concepts such as quantum mechanics, for example Richard Feynman said:

"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics."

In areas such as this, we may well see a real advantage to having a potentially non-biased and totally logical 'mind' examine such areas as string theory.

I don't know if you may have seen these before, but your mention of arguing with a machine made me think of 'chatterbots'

en.wikipedia.org...

There are a number of them that you can download freely, or play with online, and some of them have done quite well in turing tests.


The Turing test is a proposal for a test of a machine's ability to demonstrate intelligence. It proceeds as follows: a human judge engages in a natural language conversation with one human and one machine, each of which tries to appear human. All participants are placed in isolated locations. If the judge cannot reliably tell the machine from the human, the machine is said to have passed the test.


en.wikipedia.org...
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