NKorea steps up rhetoric amid nuclear crisis

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by DOADOA

 

No one threatened deadly force until North Korea did. It was their move in the direction of war that has instigated the US into planning preemptive war planning. It was thier game to lose. Now they will deal with a true threat.

lets go ALLLL the way back to the beginning of this situation, who threaten to do what to who?

Originally posted by Mercenary2007
NK can threaten to use a nuke all they want. For all of lil kimmies hot air he knows that if he were to use a nuke on any country that hosts U.S. military he would get nukes shoved up his Arse from the U.S. Military.

every country knows if you nuke U.S. troop or use chem weapons on them, the immediate response is you get nuked!

Lil Kimmie is mouthy and stupid but he's not that stupid even after a stroke.

Maybe he is a true psychopath, he doesnt show any sign of regret or a conscience and seem to neglect the consequences of his actions. He has been ill and he knows that his time soon is up, Kim Il would probably want to go out with a bang.

In 1801, Philippe Pinel described patients who were mentally unimpaired but nonetheless engaged in impulsive and self-defeating acts. He saw them as la folie raisonnante ("insane without delirium") meaning they fully understood the irrationality of their behavior but continued with it anyway. By the turn of the century, Henry Maudsley had begun writing about the "moral imbecile", and was arguing such individuals could not be rehabilitated by the correctional system.[\b]

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reply to post by DOADOA


Also you are comparing this to the Iraq propaganda. There is no true comparison to the two scenarios. The Iraq war was started off of speculation and hearsay. This war if or when it becomes that will be started off of confessions from the perpetrators themselves. Iraq denied having WMDs North Koreal however boasts of it's WMD capabilities. With that being said you are comparing apples to oranges so to speak.

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We gave them enough rope to hang themselves with. We made several gestures to help direct this situation in a peacfull manner. Last year we went to the extent of removing them from the "terror" list and this is their response. The threat of force came from them first.

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by DOADOA

 

Also you are comparing this to the Iraq propaganda. There is no true comparison to the two scenarios. The Iraq war was started off of speculation and hearsay. This war if or when it becomes that will be started off of confessions from the perpetrators themselves. Iraq denied having WMDs North Koreal however boasts of it's WMD capabilities. With that being said you are comparing apples to oranges so to speak.

they said they will use "merciless offensive" IF provoked. what if we for once did not provoke them, what will they do to us if we DID NOT provoke them? are you saying if we did nothing they will nuke us or attempt ( they just don;t have that capability and we all know it) to nuke us?

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by DOADOA

 

No one threatened deadly force until North Korea did. It was their move in the direction of war that has instigated the US into planning preemptive war planning. It was thier game to lose. Now they will deal with a true threat.

And what is US doing here?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Should russia and china put the USA on their terror list? Or the rest of the world for that matter?
One rule for one and another rule for others.

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by DOADOA

 

We gave them enough rope to hang themselves with. We made several gestures to help direct this situation in a peacfull manner. Last year we went to the extent of removing them from the "terror" list and this is their response. The threat of force came from them first.

and what have they done to get on that terror list to begin with? did they blow a building up without us knowing about it and only bush? ok, we removed them from the terror list, wow, i'm sure it really made a difference.

reply to post by DOADOA


North Korea was shown to be funneling money for terrorist ventures across the globe. This is what landed them on the "terror" list. All that we did by putting them on the list is turn more focus on them in order to see events before they unfold.

"Our nuclear deterrent will be a strong defensive means ... as well as a merciless offensive means to deal a just retaliatory strike to those who touch the country's dignity and sovereignty even a bit," said the commentary, carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

This right here states that even sanctions could be deemed a just cause for offensive action against a sanctioning nation. This is an out right threat. No matter how you try to twist this into a "Bad America" scenario you will fail. This time the US has it's ducks in a row and is playing it's cards right.

We are and have been trying peacful negotiations with NK but yet they refuse to take part. It is the worlds responsibility to not allow oppresive regimes like the one in NK to obtain the ability to oppress more people. Containment is an acceptable option. Should we interfere with their culture? No not unless they are trying to jack with other nations way of life.



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will be

reply to post by sueloujo


Very simple the intricacies of the modern power grids and information technologies make them a very devastating blow to our way of life if attacked. Lives can and will be lost if our networks and power grids are attacked. This is just stating the obvious. Attack the US and the US will attack you. Why would that be a bad move on the US's part?

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Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by DOADOA

 

North Korea was shown to be funneling money for terrorist ventures across the globe. This is what landed them on the "terror" list. All that we did by putting them on the list is turn more focus on them in order to see events before they unfold.

"Our nuclear deterrent will be a strong defensive means ... as well as a merciless offensive means to deal a just retaliatory strike to those who touch the country's dignity and sovereignty even a bit," said the commentary, carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

This right here states that even sanctions could be deemed a just cause for offensive action against a sanctioning nation. This is an out right treat. No matter how you try to twist this into a "Bad America" scenario you will fail. This time the US has it's ducks in a row and is playing it's cards right.

We are and have been trying peacful negotiations with NK but yet they refuse to take part. It is the worlds responsibility to not allow oppresive regimes like the one in NK to obtain the ability to oppress more people. Containment is an acceptable option. Should we interfere with their culture? No not unless they are trying to jack with other nations way of life.

"Our nuclear deterrent will be a strong defensive means ... as well as a merciless offensive means to deal a just retaliatory strike to those who touch the country's dignity and sovereignty even a bit," said the commentary, carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

USA, Russia, France, Britain, China, India, Pakisthan and Isreal, for what reason do they have nukes? is it there because it's pretty to look at? do they have it there because it makes them cool? give them a better tasting dinner and a good night sleep? why is it so hard for you to understand meaning behind words? the statement in quotation above can be implied to nay country listed herein.

again, i must ask you: if we did nothing to Nkorea, we do absolutely NOTHING, what will Nkorea do to us? please answer this question.

jack other nations way of life, which nation would that be?

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by sueloujo

 

Very simple the intricacies of the modern power grids and information technologies make them a very devastating blow to our way of life if attacked. Lives can and will be lost if our networks and power grids are attacked. This is just stating the obvious. Attack the US and the US will attack you. Why would that be a bad move on the US's part?

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isn't this exactly what Nkorea is saying?

Come on we all know why those nations have nuclear capabilities. Some of them are allies and can be trusted others developed the technology at a time in which no one could do anything to stop them from it. We now can stop the proliferation of WMDs and rightfully should if the nation trying to develop the technology is a rogue nation that treats its people with no dignity at all. NK is a bad place. No one argues that but yet you try to compare them to the US. There is no comparison.

Originally posted by DOADOA

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by sueloujo

 

Very simple the intricacies of the modern power grids and information technologies make them a very devastating blow to our way of life if attacked. Lives can and will be lost if our networks and power grids are attacked. This is just stating the obvious. Attack the US and the US will attack you. Why would that be a bad move on the US's part?

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isn't this exactly what Nkorea is saying?

No because we were not threatening to attack them in any manner until we were threatened. Big differerence. You are just trying to make the US look bad still. Why do you hate the US so bad? How are they doing by you wrong?

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And NK is saying attack us and we will attack you??

The US is warning people...and NK are doing the same.

Originally posted by sueloujo
reply to post by LeaderOfProgress

 

And NK is saying attack us and we will attack you??

The US is warning people...and NK are doing the same.

No NK is saying do anything even place santions and they might use nukes. There is alot of difference. One is deffensive the other is NK acting like a child that isn't getting it's way. Why would you defend such an awfull regime like NK? You seem to think it is a human rights thing. Okay then we should invade them just off of that then. How many people are starving just so they can threaten with nukes? Once again why do you keep trying to make the US look bad?

reply to post by Mercenary2007


Surely the fact that he has had a stroke makes him all the more dangerous? As he must be aware that his time on earth is drawing near. So what is to stop him going out with the biggest bang ever. Peace

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
Come on we all know why those nations have nuclear capabilities. Some of them are allies and can be trusted others developed the technology at a time in which no one could do anything to stop them from it. We now can stop the proliferation of WMDs and rightfully should if the nation trying to develop the technology is a rogue nation that treats its people with no dignity at all. NK is a bad place. No one argues that but yet you try to compare them to the US. There is no comparison.

Originally posted by DOADOA

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
reply to post by sueloujo

 

Very simple the intricacies of the modern power grids and information technologies make them a very devastating blow to our way of life if attacked. Lives can and will be lost if our networks and power grids are attacked. This is just stating the obvious. Attack the US and the US will attack you. Why would that be a bad move on the US's part?

[edit on 9-6-2009 by LeaderOfProgress]

isn't this exactly what Nkorea is saying?

No because we were not threatening to attack them in any manner until we were threatened. Big differerence. You are just trying to make the US look bad still. Why do you hate the US so bad? How are they doing by you wrong?

[edit on 9-6-2009 by LeaderOfProgress]

Nkorea hasn't attacked us yet but back a few post if see you cheering to give them hell.

someone said Nkorea is a "bad place" and treats its people with no dignity and no one can argue with that. do you know why they can't argue with that? maybe it's because they don't know, and if you do not know you can not argue. but you can agree.

you can have nukes if you're our ally, if you are not you may not have nukes for any reason. justice. i understand your logic now. let me go debate MY logic with my gold fish.

Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress

Originally posted by sueloujo
reply to post by LeaderOfProgress

 

And NK is saying attack us and we will attack you??

The US is warning people...and NK are doing the same.

No NK is saying do anything even place santions and they might use nukes. There is alot of difference. One is deffensive the other is NK acting like a child that isn't getting it's way. Why would you defend such an awfull regime like NK? You seem to think it is a human rights thing. Okay then we should invade them just off of that then. How many people are starving just so they can threaten with nukes? Once again why do you keep trying to make the US look bad?

ok now you're just making things up. can you link me to the source where they said "if you place sanction on us we will nuke you." they have been sanctioned before and for that reason it is obvious that sanctioning them will not result in jacking of other nations way of life.

we should stop starving people by putting sanctions on them, how about that?

ok what i see here is NK
funneling money to terrorists..
Testing missiles without consent
testing nukes without consent
Saying any cargo ships searched is a act of war
threatning the use of nukes if provoked with an act of war..

I'd be damned if the world is gonna be punked down wanting to search ships that possibly could be transporting any type of nuke material..

We should act like gentleman,but if sucker punched level the place..We cant waiver with nukes..

We need a strong statement from our government. OK if NK wants to be left alone, then we can leave them alone. No more humanitarian aid, no more food aid. And if they threaten us or South Korea again, the consequences will be more than they can handle. The Obama government needs to get a pair...