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UK: Who's Watching You?

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posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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There is a great little thing about the UK surveillance society at the moment on TV and i wanted to rbing it to the attention of others on ATS.

Episode 1


Episode 2


Episode 3 comes soon.


From this program i could bring up a great deal of examples that concern me, however i will bring up just one.

The police have a system that photographs number plates of cars and can actually be programmed to recognise certain numbers. This system is called ANPR. When driving down a motorway, if you are "tagged" then the police system will be alerted to you, that you need watching.

ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition)

A father and daughter were protesting at a factory that makes the equipment that drops bombs. These have been used in Iraq. The protest was peaceful and yet a marker was placed on their vehicle so that it would show up on the ANPR. Two police cars followed them, one went in front, another behind and bought them to a stop. They were threatened under the terrorist act and if they didn't answer all questions they would be arrested.

Later on they were stopped in London, by an anti terror part of the police. Their justification was that they are associated with an organisation that has caused some direct action attempts. Neither of these peopel have ever been involved in direct action. They have not linked them in any of this and yet they are still marked.




posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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On top of all of this you must consider more.

When you use your mobile phone your exact location is stored for up to 10 years. When you send emails or access any website, those are logged. Any and all journeys you undertake in your car that run through the ANRP system are logged!

This is getting silly, they might as well stick a chip right up the arse of each of us and send out a GPS signal. What ever happened to privacy?



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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The bbc are part of the uk surveillence society so why do you guys believe them.

If you want to know how far it has gone in england, i will tell you. I am monitored 24/7 with mind control in london, everything and i mean everything, every moment of my life is perved into. I cannot live one sec of my life for myself.

That is about as bad as any of you people can imagine. But whats this the bbc are coming out with stuff. Do you guys not undertsand it is so much more.

Imagine having no privacy even in your mind for 17 years non stop. Thats what i have to go through every day in london. SO all this about cameras on streets is rubbish who cares about them. The uk surveillence society is so much more today.

If the police suspect you may commit any serious crime, they will use mind control on you, full stop. This was what happened to me, people just made it up to destroy my life, and i have to live with it all my life.

So anyone in uk, your under threat from anyone making up anything about you, and my life has proved you never need to do one thing wrong, the authorities will decide to destroy you.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:37 PM
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What the big deal. Unless your doing something wrong, how is this going to impact your day to day life. I know its an invasion of privacy and a breach on basic human rights, but what is the issue here?

All they will end up with is 10 years worth of fights with girlfriends and internet visits to freakyporn.com. How is this going to make things any different to anybody.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by andy1033
, everything and i mean everything, every moment of my life is perved into. I cannot live one sec of my life for myself.



Why is that?
What happened so that you can't have any privacy...or a second to yourself?







Imagine having no privacy even in your mind for 17 years non stop.


So you have no privacy, even in your mind....and they've done this for 17 years....yet you can post about it on websites?
I don't follow?


Can you explain a little more please.

cheers.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:06 PM
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I watched the first two parts just now....(for the last couple of hours) and it's very good actually.
Will catch the 3rd part on the Iplayer soon...

But yes...that father and daughter one was bad.

The whole thing is worrying.... "bin-spinning" and paying for "private" surveillance and so on...monitoring employees every move and such.
It will soon go beyond "Orwellian" if it hasn't already.

Crazy stuff indeed.

[edit on 8/6/09 by blupblup]



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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Pathetic, you don't get it do you ?!!

You have everything to hide, your bloody privacy.

I'll refrain from ranting as it gets tiresome. Just watch this video and you'll understand how tracking will infringe your everyday existence...




posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by NoHopeForSome
What the big deal. Unless your doing something wrong, how is this going to impact your day to day life. I know its an invasion of privacy and a breach on basic human rights, but what is the issue here?


Oh ok, I'm just gonna stop by and watch your teenage daughter undress and have a shower ok? What's the issue? no issue right?? I'll be over soon.


[edit on 8-6-2009 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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What? Is that against the law, oops.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by PrisonerOfSociety
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What? Is that against the law, oops.

Well if they are not doing anything wrong, then they got nothing to hide right? then I'm sure they will invite me in, that's the logic right?


[edit on 8-6-2009 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Well if they are not doing anything wrong, then they got nothing to hide right? then I'm sure they will invite me in, that's the logic right?



Just say Section 44 before the lathering begins, seems it's the 'in' thing for TPTB.

So what do you say NoHopeForSome, can we come and watch your daughter shower? Can you please post your address and credit card number as we may need to get some supplies beforehand?

That is okay isn't it? Or have you got something to hide????

[edit on 8-6-2009 by PrisonerOfSociety]



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by NoHopeForSome
What the big deal. Unless your doing something wrong, how is this going to impact your day to day life.



Perhaps you should watch the documentary and do a little research on the topic.



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by NoHopeForSome
What the big deal. Unless your doing something wrong, how is this going to impact your day to day life. I know its an invasion of privacy and a breach on basic human rights, but what is the issue here?

All they will end up with is 10 years worth of fights with girlfriends and internet visits to freakyporn.com. How is this going to make things any different to anybody.


To this i quote you an old thread of mine.


Nothing To Hide? CCTV In Your Home Then!

The isea you would so happily give up your privacy and human rights scares me. These are basic principles. Donlt you get that once you give up these things then other freedoms and rights are easier to get rid of?

Look the basics should always be maintained, those of freedom, rights and dignity.

[edit on 8-6-2009 by ImaginaryReality1984]



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 05:57 PM
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My brother had the same legal letter (as described in one of OP links) a few weeks ago for downloading the pinball game.

Virgin have crossed the line IMHO, they just dish out your IP details to any bottom feeding lawyers.

It seems The Carphone Warehouse are taking a stance against BS copyright legislation!!


"If people want to share content they will find another way to do it," he added. "It is more about education and allowing people to get content easily and cheaply that will make a difference. This idea that it is all peer to peer [P2P] and somehow the ISPs can just stop it is very naive."

Source

[edit on 8-6-2009 by PrisonerOfSociety]



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:25 PM
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Look guys it's east to get out of those letters. Buy yourself a wireless router and claim someone hacked it. Very hard to disprove. The thing that scares me most is the CCTV cameras and more importantly the license place recognition program used to track peaceful protestors! I mean for gods sake they are peaceful protestors why do they need their every movement tracked? Isn't this utterly abusive?



posted on Jun, 8 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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They claim that even with a wireless router, you as the IP owner, are responsible for all activity.

It's all BS, i agree. There's no way they can prove downloads, other than confiscating your machine and running diagnostic software to detect content, even after it's been deleted. They won't ever go the whole hog and take someone to court, as they'd fall on their backsides with lack of proof. You just claim a ghost IP/proxy was used to download stuff.

Regarding ANRP used by the police, well you could always use a white registration plate back colour. Their machines can't make out your reg number and you'd get a written warning to change it to yellow, so you can get away with it once.

Police also put stickers on cars in pub car parks they find @10pm-ish. So when they roam the streets after kick-out, it's easier for them to pull cars with these stickers.

Again, police are just 10% law-enforcement, 90% revenue generators.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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I watched episode 3 on the BBC last, absolutely fascinating stuff.

They had security consultants and ex-MI5 talking about their surveillance techniques.

Some that stood out were taking high-resolution photos of keys, so they can enter properties to plant their technology.

Spending £80million on 'prevent' programmes in Muslim areas.

'Radicals' using stereography to send hidden messages, a process where they interlace images together that to the untrained eye is impossible to fathom that there is even a hidden message.

The fact that all their technology will be redundant, once VOIP communication becomes the de facto norm. They won't be able to track packets of data as easily as they can intercept phone calls of today.

And finally, the fact that anyone with intent just has face-to-face meeting and whispers messages into the ears of the recipient to spread their message. As archaic as that sounds, they will never, ever be able to intercept the most basic communication tool available to us...speech; kind of ironic i felt.

Episode 3 of the OP's links is most interesting and as yet unavailable. Will post once it becomes available.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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Episode 3

It was a good episode.



posted on Jun, 9 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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Cool...

I thoroughly enjoyed that trilogy.

Cheers for the links.

Scary and fascinating and really interesting.



posted on Jun, 10 2009 @ 05:36 AM
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Happy to add the the big cook pot of knowledge on ATS



These episodes only remain for around a week so watch them you can guys.



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