Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by grover
Oh I am a staunch liberal and I am far happier when government takes care of its own...

Exactly what do you mean by that?

The government does not "own" me, so I do not expect or want it to "take care" of me. I am also not in need of "adult day care" as so many liberals seem to be, or in favor of.

Haven't you ever heard that phrase? A company takes care of its own by taking care of its employees (or should)... A family takes care of its own as in you take care of your wife and children (or should)... You are part of this nation and this society and as such you are part of the family that is the United States and as such a government takes care of its people by making sure there is justice, that children aren't starving in the streets and irresponsible businesses don't pollute the national air, land and water just to save a buck.

The wealthy don't need help but the down and out do... the marginalized do and any just society makes sure that there is at the very least they are helped somehow.

Social services are the cheapest way to prevent an uprising of the have not's against the better healed... historically speaking.

Not to mention it is the good, decent and moral thing to do.

Remember Jesus' teachings about the poor?

Originally posted by grover

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by grover
Oh I am a staunch liberal and I am far happier when government takes care of its own...

Exactly what do you mean by that?

The government does not "own" me, so I do not expect or want it to "take care" of me. I am also not in need of "adult day care" as so many liberals seem to be, or in favor of.

Haven't you ever heard that phrase? A company takes care of its own by taking care of its employees (or should)... A family takes care of its own as in you take care of your wife and children (or should)... You are part of this nation and this society and as such you are part of the family that is the United States and as such a government takes care of its people by making sure there is justice, that children aren't starving in the streets and irresponsible businesses don't pollute the national air, land and water just to save a buck.

Again I don't want to even be considered as "owned" by any government. And that's not what is says the purpose of the federal government is in the U.S. constitution - to "take care of the people".

The wealthy don't need help but the down and out do... the marginalized do and any just society makes sure that there is at the very least they are helped somehow.

Yes, but by teaching them how to fish rather than just giving them a fish (confiscated by the government from other hard-working fishermen).

Social services are the cheapest way to prevent an uprising of the have not's against the better healed... historically speaking.

But not by doing it on the backs of other hard working people.

Not to mention it is the good, decent and moral thing to do.

A self-avowed liberal preaching about morals? Who'd ever think we'd see that ...

Remember Jesus' teachings about the poor?

Yes, but I also remember that Jesus was preaching to individuals about the need to help take care of the needy among them - which is the same thing that conservatives advocate instead of asking government to do it. He wasn't preaching that to the Romans.

[edit on 6/9/2009 by centurion1211]

After six months of this guy, we know nothing of Obama.

We don't know how he paid for his expensive Ivy League education, nor do we know how he was able to obtain an upscale lifestyle in spite of no visible means of support. (If only it were that easy for the rest of us)

We know for a fact that his formative years were not spent in America, and thus he isn't American.

He's never had a real job. He's never run a company, or even shift supervisor at the local 7-11. He's never met a payroll. (and it's starting to show when you look at our deficit numbers)

Obama is unlike any, and I mean completely unlike any other President this nation has ever had.

Obama never had any military experience, thus his complete lack of understanding of it's core principles. He doesn't know, doesn't care that he doesn't know, and won't learn.

Obama as far back as we can see is constantly blaming others, and when it becomes politically advantageous, casts off his friends like a wet jacket. Some principles there.

Obama is the first Blame America President, and is constantly off in other countries apologizing for whatever seems to be politically expedient at the moment.

Over half of Obama's life, he's been shoulder to shoulder and aligned with political and social radicals who wish to see America fall.

Obama wants to convert America to the European model of socialism and non-productivity, through burdensome taxation and the elimination of capitalism.

Obama wants to compel us to embrace a nationalized health care where lines will be as long as my . . . suburb block.

Obama won't touch our vast reserves of oil, coal, and shale reserves, instead letting prices be influenced by entirely foreign nations.

Obama is literally choking the "capital" out of the captalist goose that's been laying the golden eggs since our foundation. We are not broke, but now beyond broke.

Obama has no trouble violating Constitutional and contract law in using extortion against our insurance industry, our banking industry, our automobile industry and other corporations.

Obama's own party will not ask questions nor challenge him on anything, passing disastrous spending bills without even reading them.

The press won't call him to task, as they consider him omnipotent and omniscient.

To make matters worse, he wants to crush opposing views under an archaic Fairness Doctrine.

He promised a lot of things, including not raising taxes, and that one's coming soon.

Finally, Obama prefers power grabbing and controlling as opposed to governing and leading.

Other than that, I think he's just wonderful.

That tingling in my leg?

The Fed's hand in my pocket which already has a hole in it.

I like to keep things simple.

In that spirit, ladies and gentlemen... I offer my humble opinion/conspiracy theory.

It IS ATS, is it not?

Mr. Sotero not only spent his formative/socialization (interesting choice of words, bianchi...) years in a country other than the United States, he was perhaps born in another country.

This would obviously render him Constitutionally disqualified to be POTUS...

I ask one thing...

SHOW ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Sorry about the caps, but I need to be perfectly clear here. I don't want the "doctored" online versions I've seen. I want full page, certified ads in EVERY paper in the land. I want to SEE that what I suspect of this tool is NOT true.

I know Mr. Sotero is only a puppet. He's been groomed to do his job. That is what he is doing, as well as he can... Which isn't fooling anyone who's awake.

By the way... Where's Osama?

Why are we still in the sandbox?

... But you promised!!

Waaa!

"However, I think the root of the fears/hate are that Obama is not playing by the status quo and it’s looking like there is a good chance that he will actually be able to make some of the changes he’s talked about."


What change? The continuing of the Patriot Act, or renditions? Would that change he promised have anything to do with the way he voted for FISA? Oh, I know, he promised the nation that he would bring the troops home in 6 months, you mean that change? Or how about the big stimulus, what is it $11 per paycheck that is very stimulating, and a big change!

The man has snowed us, period. Look at the people surrounding him, change? Sommers, Geitner, all the Bush boys handling the war effort...what change could you possibly be referring to?????

[edit on 6/9/2009 by redhead57]

For some reason people tend to psychologize presidential politics. They often project their own distorted personal feelings about ther family, power, sexuality, their own lives, etc. onto the President in an odd way. Why this happens is in itself an interesting question and one I cannot answer myself.

Personally, I see Obama as a very small figure in the grand scheme of things, not particularly central to the massive tectonic shifts that are currently rocking the geopolitical world and shaking the fundemental global capitalist architecture to its core. What he does or does not do has increasingly less bearing on the situation. The actual power of the office of the Presidency itself has been on the wane for some time. By now, it has noticbly...dwindled, I guess I would say. It surprises me that many people continue remain blind to what seems to me a very obvious fact. But I suppose that's always the case...



[edit on 6/9/09 by silent thunder]

because he is a liar and is going to put a stumbling block in front of israel like revelation says the warrior balak, kinda sounds like barak hmmm. food for thought