Sorry peeps. Can't anyone see through the subterfuge?

Obama (Lesser of 2 evils IMO) is simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Bush and his minions had been steering us towards this collapse for the past 8 years and he simply turned over the wheel.

Our little experiment with democracy is failing despite your misguided need to moan, groan and point fingers. It is all a ruse. The bubble burst and can't be re-inflated.
The good old days are no more.

Think Katrina times 1,000. The "market" won't bounce back. Your government will not save you and although your seat cushion might be a flotation device, it is doubtful you'll survive the impact.

You can discuss who was right or wrong as you embrace the chilly water.

Have a nice day.....KK

I have to tell you the race card thing pisses me off. As the wife of a black man and mother of 4 interracial kids, I see right through that crap! It is about time that the press got past that and started dealing with legitimate and needed criticism! Yet you are absolutely correct in that if Hillary were out there, it would have been all about misogyny.

Who I really liked, this will probably make you cringe, is Dennis Kuchinch! I find it so funny that both he and Ron Paul are the only ones in Congress to get right in their faces, both sides of the scale and calling for truth!

It is not easy to wake people up, it is really like a cult mentality. Even when you present information that is clear on his backpedaling, they look at you and say...I trust him??????????????????????????? It is so sad! I have gotten a few of them to listen and even view some good video, but still they are afraid to admit there may be something wrong. I really think in my limited experience this may be very difficult for this block of new voters to admit they were conned.

I do think that soon only the truly brainwashed will be able to deny just what a liar and danger Obama is. I just hope it is in time to stop 4 more years!!

Obama? fun at parties. great guy. poor leader.

Bush? fun at parties. great guy. poor leader.

Clinton? fun at parties. great guy. poor leader.

i could go on but, you get the point

I have been saying since the primaries that Obama was not a socialist or the radical that the right made him out to be... He is a moderate liberal.

The simple truth is this... the powers that be would never let anyone be it Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Ron Paul... anyone who is an actual serious threat to their interests get as far as winning the nomination much less the election.

They would either have him marginalized like Ron Paul or made into a laughing stock like they did over Howard Dean's prep rally shout.... It was nothing but after the news cycles got their marching orders and replayed it ad nausium... Dean was effectively eliminated as a serious candidate.

The vested interests have such a stranglehold on this country that a serious threat to the status quo will never get a decent hearing much less anywhere near the halls of power.

The more left leaning media was already becoming critical of Obama before he was even sworn in unlike the right leaning media who unfailingly worshiped bush minor right up to the bitter end... and it is within that framework that Obama will be made to either succeed or fail regardless of what either polarities think.

Mark my word... what is happening now and what might happen politically as in the health care reform... if it gets anywhere at all it will because the people who actually control this nation have decided its in their best interests to have it... not because of any puppet show in congress.

All that being said I prefer Obama's lies to say John McCain's lies or bush minor's lies...

The big difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is at least the Democrats try and kiss you before they tell you to bend over... with the Republicans its closer to date rape.

I have no faith in the Democrats but I have less faith in the Republicans.

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Oh I am a staunch liberal and I am far happier when government takes care of its own...and looks after the little guy as opposed to the haves and the have mores... after all it is how a society takes care of the least fortunate among us that determines its decency.

I want a government to be a steward of the environment and I want it to as far as possible to stay out of foreign affairs but when it does get involved to stand up for the oppressed.

I just want them to do it in an efficient and cost effective manner.

On 60 Minutes the head of the FDIC actually suggested that banks, insurance companies and financial instituitions should be limited in their size for the good of the national economy and I whole heartedly agree...

No instituition should ever be allowed to get so large that its failure would so adversely affect the national economy.

To be fair both the banks and the car companies went begging to the feds before he even was elected so he is pretty much playing the hand he was delt.

Still I would like to see the monster banks broken up not propped up and to date while I generally support Obama, I disagree with that.

BUT I also know in the long run the voice of Wall street and the so-called owner class carries more weight than us grunts.

CHAGE... Because that's all you'll have in your pocket when he gets done...!!

Originally posted by breakingdradles

Why not take all the PROFIT out of the cost of the insurance and benefit a whole lot of people instead of a privileged few!

Why not? Why not go down to your local DMV (or just about any government agency) and watch the employees there slowly shuffle around while they decide the fate of everyone that must come to them for something. That's how (most) government bureaucrats "do" their jobs. BTW, I work for one of the states, so I see it all the time.

Now imagine the same kinds of people working in the same way, but this time making life and death decisions regarding people's health care.

You or a loved one, or anyone could be desperately waiting for some needed treatment. Do you think some faceless bureaucrat will care? Do you think that they would even hurry to expedite your issue even if they knew the situation?

If you don't know the answer in your heart of hearts, go back to the DMV and just watch what goes on for awhile ...

Edit to add: why not also consider all the people who would lose their jobs at the health insurance companies you want to put out of business. Guess you'll think it's OK to raise taxes even further to bail them out, too.

[edit on 6/9/2009 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by grover
Oh I am a staunch liberal and I am far happier when government takes care of its own...

Exactly what do you mean by that?

The government does not "own" me, so I do not expect or want it to "take care" of me. I am also not in need of "adult day care" as so many liberals seem to be, or in favor of.

People who are in denial and keep their head in the sand is the reason the government is allowed to get by with all their crap. There are some people that do not keep up with what goes on in the world and then wants to know what the problem is. I say to those that do not know what the problem is.......give it a couple of years if it even takes that long and you will see the TRUE change that this president would like to have for us all.

Do you really think he cares so deeply for the middle and lower class?? I don't know about you but I don't like working hard all week paying taxes to pay for date night for Nobamas. When we go out once in a while we pay for our own transportation (by car, not plane), food and activities.

Obama is a photo op president, which is why he is liked. He is a media concieved darling that is really just a puppet of his masters. He was the "chosen one" since he became a senator, and I don't even know why. He never did anything that would measure up to the status he has been given. They call him an eloquent and charismatic leader, but if you watch his speeches he is bland and not very motivating plus he reads everything from a teleprompter so that could by why he sounds like that. When I think of charismatic speeches i think of someone like Martin Luther King Jr, that man had soul behind his words.

You don't get that with Obama, but at least he likes basketball and looks good/clean in a suit perfect for GQ. I just don't get it. My guess would have to be because he would be considered a good speaker next to Bush part II but then that's not really saying much, just a better of the bad in this case. But at least with Bush part II his speeches were pretty disasterous, but at least short and to the point, sort of, and any idiot could understand what he was talking about if you could get past the stuttering. At least he provided good comic material. I do think that Obamas promises were for the most part geniune when he was running, and you can't blame him for jumping on the "messiah" thing because that was not him who made himself out to be that way, it was the media. I think when he became president, he realized that what he said was easier said than done, and that whatever he wants to do, means nothing because those who actually run things are going to tell him how it's going to be. So I at least try to read between the lines here and not blame the man, but the office itself.

[edit on 9-6-2009 by Darth Lumina]

Originally posted by breakingdradles
Why not take all the PROFIT out of the cost of the insurance and benefit a whole lot of people instead of a privileged few!

Insurance companies are part of a FREE MARKET system.
Nationalizing insurance companies is socialism.
Socialized insurance companies would not have your best interest at heart any more than a free market insurnace company would.

hes nothing but a deciver he says one thing and does another. he was put into power so the stupid masses would stop the anti-government feelings that we all have, with the first minority president the people can trust the government again, Wrong, hes just a musilum who will destroy the american way of life.

Unfortunately the system is the system, don’t hate the player hate the game etc I think the last sincere and honestly flawed President was JFK and we all seen how that one panned out.
It all reminds me of a post I read years ago when the net was in its infancy and it summed up Journalism and the ladder. It started with a young hot shot journo who comes across the story of a lifetime that could topple a major company, he goes to his editor and says this story will shake America to its foundations, the old and experienced editor says, kid this type of story could make a lot of enemies for this paper and make you a sitting duck, if you want to go anywhere in this business you forget what you have uncovered and you will go far, years later the young hot shot is the old and experienced editor and a young hot shot journo comes to him..... The circle of life